Waverly, it was pertinent to the discussion at hand otherwise I would have never mentioned it. I wanted to give an example and it would be dishonest to pretend that it was a “friend” who had trouble succeeding in life despite having a trait which many people believe automatically entitles the recipient to greatness. Furthermore, I am very well aware that being considered attractive by the majority of people is absolutely meaningless if you are not considered attractive by those you wish to attract. I always end up crushing on people who aren’t interested in me romantically.
But Mom, *they * were shallow first!!! :rolleyes:
Oh my. Are you me?
Wow.
It’s clear you are just a person who has your prejudices, and you can’t be convinced otherwise.
Sorry, but anyone who refuses to admit that prejudice of this sort is wrong just isn’t worth debating with, except to perhaps say that if you are being treated badly, maybe you should look in your own heart before foisting the negativity and blame on someone else.
And don’t complain that you’re being discriminated against if you’re willing to openly discriminate against others in the same breath. Throwing stones in glass houses, and all that rot.
Possibly. Are you bi and only interested in women who later turn out to be straight? The one lesbian I did/do crush on was in denial when we went to high school together. She didn’t come out until after moving to Japan and of course, even after all that, still wasn’t interested in me. I have a similar problem with men, although it’s not as bad as one of my very good friends. If she likes a guy, he’s either gay or going to be a priest. I’ve never met a going-to-be-a-priest despite 12 years of Catholic schooling and hanging out on Catholic Universities, yet she’s managed to find all the seminary students in her city. She’s a very beautiful girl yet has never had a relationship lasting longer than a few months because all of her boyfriends came out. 
Now that she’s in France, she says that her luck has really improved…
Is it really? It allows you to use yourself as an anecdote, which I’m guessing you really wanted to do. That’s fine. But an anecdote isn’t the most effective way of rebutting what is, in effect, a set of rather silly prejudices based on other people’s anecdotes.
Please, please let Alice say, “of course I am, but I’m also crushed on Waverly and worry that he won’t understand.”
Of course I am, but I’m also crushed on Waverly and worry that he won’t understand.
Well, no, not really. Not bi that is - I’m very pro-penis, to the exclusion of vaginas, I’m afraid.
HOWEVER, I am totally crushing on Waverly…
Now that’s just bigotry.
Yep, I’m a bigot. I just love penises. I guess that makes me a bad person…
<sigh>
I’d just like to let it be known that I have a penis. Yep, still there. Good ol’ penis.
I can overlook your penis prejudice. It will be hard, but I can do it for as long as need me to. 
I am pretty surprised by the beliefs in this thread as well, especially by people who purport to be intelligent. I hope no one is mistaking my retarded little thought experiment on the previous page for my actual beliefs. Please also tell me someone identified Lord Henry Wotton before I had to point him out.
It is not easy for me to watch people assume that my wife is either stupid or lives a charmed life based on her looks alone. After all, she lives with me. Charmed her life is not. And despite the fact that she picked me out of thousands, she is by no means stupid.
It is equally unfortunate that people do not assume that my intelligence is inversely proportional to my looks.
IME, super-hot women often have appalling attitudes, stemming from years of being told how hot they are (ie, believing their own PR), and spolied, bitchy attitudes, stemming from years of having guys buying them shiny baubles and paying for everything.
Having said that, there are plenty of (even the majority of) super-hot women who don’t have apalling, spoiled, bitchy attitudes… but even so, I only ever seem to run into the vapid, stuck-up bitchy kind.
Beauty is only skin-deep. Bitch is everything else.
If you’re talking about believing that an attractive people would not use their attractiveness to get the things they want, then it’s not ridiculous at all. Would you assume that an intelligent person wouldn’t use their intelligence or a wealthy person wouldn’t spend money?
Intelligence, beauty and money are tools that can be used for doing things and getting things. They can be used ethically or unethically. Everyone has their own particular set of tools, and growing up with one significantly more effective than the others is going to tint your perceptions of how to approach life.
No, I believe DianaG’s argument was that it’s foolish to distrust someone of higher-than-average beauty solely because they are beautiful. Just as it is foolish to distrust someone of higher intelligence, or more than average of any other “advantage”. Having beauty does not necessarily make a person any less ethical than it having intelligence or wealth or excellent spelling and grammar.
Sure, you may use your “tools” to help you along in life where they might be useful. You may or may not do this in an ethical manner. Whether the “tool” you’re using is beauty, brains or brawn has nothing to do with whether you are an ethical person. To assume that an ugly, poor, disadvantaged person is more ethical than someone more attractive, or more wealthy, or more advantaged, is a simple case of prejudice, and applies no more logically or rationally in that situation than it does in one of race, creed or hair colour.
:dubious: Is that it?
I’d like to apologize to all the people I’m about to offend in advance.
I couldn’t help but notice that many of the self professing attractive people seem to suggest that either good looks are completely unrelated to ill character, or even more delightfully perverse, that aesthetically challenged folk are more likely to harbour distasteful morals. :smack:
In addition to this, many of the self proclaimed average Joes (adjust for gender) seem to hold on to their belief that the attractive ilk can’t be trusted.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that the trend is that aesthetically people generally make lateral moves when it comes to breeding. This also seems to hold true with intellect and moral fibre. (I’d like to ask anyone ready to blurt “I know someone who…” to hold their tongue)
In addition, I believe that this “hotness” factor has more to do with one’s style and fashion sense than genes. Hair lips and hereditary obesity aside.
I’m a very average looking guy, and largely due to that alone have fostered a personality more agreeable than my flabdomen or lisp.
Needless to say, I shy away from attractive people. My experience tells me I’m better off with people playing ball in my league.
This is one of the strangest threads I’ve ever read on this board.