Enderw24: I go with: (e) I like eggs.
grienspace: Much of the debate has been during American waking hours. You seem to distinguish these from Canadian waking hours, as if to excuse your absence thus far. Please note that by and large Canada and the US share time zones. Thank you.
Brian: I, too, am forced to ask, “Wha-?”
Well…Im a Christian too…not that that has anything at all to do with anything about this discusion…at least any of the more rational parts of the discusion.
Alaska? Freedom2 said we could have them here in TEXAS. Its not fair…we have plenty of room here, and we got Fundies and Arms dealers…They would be right at home…Course Alaska is 'bout to get all those oilfields now, but hey, Freedom2 offered them to us first.
This’ll spawn its own Pit thread, I would assume, but what the hell are you talking about? Have you READ the posts in this thread? Are you aware that some are written by Canadians?
Please watch and learn.
SuaSponte on the bottom of the first page you wrote
Much as I would like to agree with you, according to this site, the Jewish population is 2.2%.
Now, Brian, I brought this to your attention for a reason, so plase pay attention. Sua made a comment that I have now proven wrong through a reputable source. He has two mature options and one not so mature options available to him. The mature options are:
Or…he can do the Brian Bunnyhurt response:
3) ignore my numbers and claim he doesn’t need to refute them because I am a Christian fundementalist.
Let’s both sit down together, Brian, and watch what he does.
I have a deeply effective method of refuting your assertion, Ender24 - I am going to hold my breath until you admit you were wrong.
Changed your mind yet?
Damn, I’ve got to quit smoking.
Mea culpa. I had stuck in my mind the numbers for the NYC metro area. As a New Yorker, I believe there is a legitimate question as to whether the rest of the U.S. exists :D, but I concede.
Sua
Were I the one engaged in a debate with Sua, this might or might not be enough to satisfy me. In a thread where things were going along fairly well, I probably let this pass.
However, this thread could be called contentious. It would be well within your rights to ask for a cite on the New York Metro numbers.
It’s slightly irrelevant, except for its impact on the taxi driver/1000 rate. You see, I am highly suspect that there exists 1 taxi for every 10 people. Do these NY jews work?
And what about all the Indian Taxi drivers?
C’mon…take aim…
Start shooting some holes in our posts.
See Brian, that wasn’t difficult. We are human and prone to make an occasional mistake. When the flaw is pointed out to us, however, we own up to it. For those about to debate, I salute you, Sua
So Brian, please, in your own words, tell us what you’ve learned today.
Dearest Thread-Reader,
I began this discussion to explore options for a problem that puzzles me. As you can see, it does not appear to be a popular idea among the too frequent posters. That is your cue to think further on this subject. Please notice that I have become the issue of this thread, that I, and my argument, have been marginalized to the point where people would rather discuss this in Miss Kitty’s turd-filled sandbox, and not on this thread, where you, dear thread-reader, deserve to read it. Obviously, as you can plainly see, the Poser Collective on this thread has feigned intelligence on this issue while simultaneously engaging in ad hominem served with fresh red herrings and accidental and false causes sprinkled with enough ad hoc fallacies to give a stout dockworker a good reason to cry (from gas pains).
Why? How could this be? Well, dear thread-reader, as you surely know, anyone who labels their opponent an enemy, and then stoops to suggest they are disingenuous or bigotted, is engaging in contradiction and is probably hiding something. They obviously want you to think I crawled out from a rock somewhere and are ignorant of the weighty matters in life. Well, as anyone can see, the vast majority of posters in this thread are ignorant of not only my motives, but theirs as well, and do not inspire confidence in their ability to debate their way out of a paper bag by freely resorting to scorn and ridicule (yes, even I am guilty, but I love it).
For the record, dear thread-reader, because you deserve to know, I am not bigotted, if you were wondering. I am married to a Jewish person, whom I have known for twenty years, and I am close to her relatives who mostly prosper in Canada. Yes, even some in-laws live in Israel, but do not prosper there. I even met an Israeli friend this last summer, since I happen to live in a tourist mecca of sorts. He is an emotionally scarred person from being forced into the army as a tank commander, and you would never guess this gentle person was a warrior or ever fired a cannon in his life. He has fled his existence and is now AWOL from his unit and hides in a canyon in Mexico, and he can’t even speak Spanish. What is my point? None, I was just digressing. Am I joking about this idea of mine? No, I consider it to be always an option, for I fear the worst in conflicts in the age of rogue atomic weapons. Am I really a former fundamentalist? No, nor was I ever sympathetic towards any racialism or racial doctrine, the test of which I assume to be inter-marriage, which I propose as the solution to end racialism and intolerance. I hold all religions in equal abeyance, favor none, and therefore incur the spite of those who use religion to falsly prove their charity and goodwill by quoting insufferable dogma. Israel is and always will be a religious issue.
Let me conclude with one important thought, lest you think I didn’t know something that you already figured out. The CIA and FBI have been slowly infiltrated by robo-lackeys of a religious bend, this much I know, I ask you to trust me, since I know a few of them very well. Since this little American egotistical and arrogant experiment called Israel is very important to them and their worldview, things will be presented with a spin that places maximum obviousness on this cause, and wars and disasters will be engaged according to this propaganda. What am I saying? Simple, if a terrorist weapon of mass destruction ever threatens you or surprises you, please do not assume that it originated from those who they are quick to claim. The government record of set-ups, scapegoating and witchhunting speaks for itself.
Good day, dear thread-reader, and remember to mark you calendars to remember that today was a day when you saw for yourself the impossible emotional hangups that people have conditioned themselves to believe. I proposed to consider to remove a problem to the benefit of all, a problem that I consider to cost the taxpayers and consumers over 10,000 dollars per year per man, women and child in Israel and leaves US looking like fascists towards hundreds of millions of people. You saw for yourself the reaction, the consensus being that the status quo is fair, desirable, natural, normal, and good. They are lying, and I for one cannot stomach the lies, nor do I wish to deceive myself. You be the judge and do not let anyone tell you there is no solution to a problem you have to pay for and which makes you go to war. Those idiots who think this is about money are lying too. We’re talking nothing less than world harmony. Israel may be our Achilles heel because racial issues like this always have been and it has taken civil wars to prove it. Adieu.
(Note: I freely abandon this thread due to lack of civility, a symptom of blindly supporting Israel and false assumptions, no doubt. It was enjoyable though, and I reserve the right to come back, but probably not. I have achieved my suggestive goal here and nothing good can come of it any longer, either no one seems to have any new ideas on the subject, or those that do have been scared off by the poor manners and bad etiquette.)
Little Brian Bunnyhurt
hoppin’ through the GD,
scoopin’ up the Israelites
and boppin’ em on the head.
And down came the Blue Fairy, and she said: Little Brian Bunnyhurt
I don’t want to see you
scoopin’ up the Israelites
and boppin’ em on the head.
And now I’ll give you three chances, and if you keep it up,
I’ll turn you into a goon. Little Brian Bunnyhurt
kept hoppin’ through the GD,
kept scoopin’ up the Israelites
and boppin’ em on the head.
And down came the Blue Fairy, and she said:
Little Brian Bunnyhurt
I don’t want to see you
scoopin’ up the Israelites
and boppin’ em on the head.
And now I’ll give you two more chances, and if you do that again,
I’ll turn you into a goon.
Little Brian Bunnyhurt
kept hoppin’ through the GD,
kept scoopin’ up the Israelites
and boppin’ em on the head.
And down came the Blue Fairy, and she said:
Little Brian Bunnyhurt
I don’t want to see you
scoopin’ up the Israelites
and boppin’ em on the head.
And now I’ll give you one more chance, and if you keep it up,
I’ll turn you into a goon. Little Brian Bunnyhurt
kept hoppin’ through the GD,
kept scoopin’ up the Israelites
and boppin’ em on the head.
And down came the Blue Fairy, and she said:
Little Brian Bunnyhurt
I don’t want to see you
scoopin’ up the Israelites
and boppin’ em on the head.
You disobeyed me three times, so now I’m gonna turn you into a GOON!
You see what you bigoted fundamentalist christians did?
You made Brian Bunnyhurt cry!
I hope you’re happy with yourselves, now. You all ought to be ashamed.
No, YOU are lying, Brian. The bolded statement is false.
In this thread, we have not been debating current U.S. policy towards Israel or defending the status quo. We have not been brainstorming workable solutions for the Middle East, or discussing what should happen. SuaSponte, Chief Bullshit Refuter for January 25-26, 2001, happens to believe that the question of whether Israel should exist is a debatable question. I, and others in this thread, have many things to say about how U.S. foreign policy towards the Middle East could be improved. Most of the people who have been posting to this thread have a proven track record on this board of supporting absolute separation of church and state and deploring the mixing of quasi-religious motives with government.
No, Brian, instead we have been debating your “modest proposal” to pick up a 52-year-old state and move it somewhere else, for reasons that you have never coherently explained. You are the chief manufacturer of red herrings - OPEC, Pat Robertson, Israeli cab drivers in NY, and infiltrators of the FBI and CIA - to name a few.
I’m all for “out-of-the-box” thinking, but your proposition, that we (we still haven’t clarified whether “we” means the U.S.A., the U.N. world government, the Arabs, or the voices in your head) have a moral obligation to move 5.8 million people somewhere else, is preposterous for many reasons. Us not agreeing with your very special interpretation of how things should be does not make us supporters of the status quo or make any of the things you say true.
You have made a proposal. You have not offered any workable, rational, or even debatable suggestions on how or why it should be done as you say. Many others have refuted your points, asked you for clarifications, or made suggestions for more debatable propositions.
Remember, when building a bunker, always take twice as much water as you think you’ll need, and take into account the need for adequate waste disposal facilities.
Does this mean we’re not getting our Israelies?
Damn.
So…Some of your best wives are Jewish…
Ender and Sua, does this count as him holding his breath?
I think I read between the lines and found the solution he was REALLY suggesting: Teach all Israelis to speak Spanish in case of emergency. Then give them a million dollars to go to Canada and marry them off to a Christian (or Mormon) fundamentalist.
Workable to everyone?
Oh, indeed it did have to be done. Thanks novoicemorereasonable.
As an aside, are novoicemorereasonable and Voice of Reason going to have to duke it out in some SDMB Ultimate Reasonableness Fighting Challenge? Because that would be keen.
I love you, Ender. God, I love you.
Brian Bunnyhurt, in case you don’t see this in the Pit thread:
I didn’t realize at first that it was not you who posted at the alternate message board. I don’t condone anyone taking your stuff and trolling with it, and I’m sorry if you were subjected to embarrassment as a result. Please come back and play with us!
I go visit a relative, and when I come back Bunnicula
is gone! There were so many other inteligent points I wanted to make! There were far more bizzare, pointless points I needed to make!
I need to get a laptop.
More Modest Proposals
1 Nuke the entire middle east. I’m not too fond of this idea. It would have a lot of support in congress though.
2 Move all Israelis to Canada. Move all Canadians to Israel.
3 Elect Brian Bunnyhurt president of the US. Clearly, he can solve all our problems.
It scares me that I could mention Swift's brilliant satire and be taken seriously. I hope that BB is the only one to miss the reference. I support Israel's right to exist. I am an observant Jew (recently the police caught me observing a neghbor with binoculars. I still want to know why she was wearing binoculars in the shower.).
I can find only one explanation for BunnyBoy's posts. BB is in fact a false identity created by Uncle Cecil to test the Teeming Millions. If BB is an actual person, I demand that he be given his own talk show