Victims of sexual assault?
There is a remote chance that is true. I’m more likely to believe that they are money or revenged obsessed vindictive liars.
Is there ever a rape case where this isn’t true?
It’s true I’m highly skeptical of many of these high profile rape cases. Obviously, when celebrities are involved, it’s much easier to see gold digging as a motive.
I believe at least 50% of rape claims are false. We keep moving the goalposts with how rape is defined. It’s become a speed trap. Idiocy such as yes means yes only complicates the issue. Claiming rape for revenge or simply wanting a do over from a drunken night adds to the problem.
So, you think a really huge percentage of women are liars?
Not all of them are liars. Many are confused. For example, I think many women who claim to be roofied and raped were simply intoxicated. Blackouts from alcohol can certainly happen. A woman who had 5 Appletinis at the club, goes home with a guy and has consensual sex was not raped, even if she has no memory of the previous night.
I’m not supporting the claim that at least 50% of rape claims are false.
But I’m curious as to why you expect automatic rejection of the notion that “a really huge percentage of women are liars” but are apparently quite comfortable with the notion that an even higher percentage of men are rapists.
While not administering a roofie is surely better, sex with a person who is so drunk they black out is not acceptable either.
I also find it a bit peculiar that you think “Yes means yes” somehow complicates matters. Requiring, as an article I just found puts it: “‘an affirmative, unambiguous and conscious decision’” by each party to engage in sexual activity" is a bad thing? Why is that?
**jsgoddess **- I don’t want to be ‘that guy.’ I’m not part of this general argument you’re engaged in. I’m honestly interested in this little piece though. The woman is too drunk to consent. But if the guy is just as drunk, can he be held responsible for not *realizing *the woman was too drunk to consent?
Or, if he’s equally as drunk, is *he *too drunk to consent? Can he claim rape the next day?
Yes means yes is a horrible law. First of all, It’s based on the inaccurate statistic that one in 5 women are raped while in college. Unless you stretch the definition of rape to being the recipient of a bad pick up line, the 20% statistic is just a feminist fallacy.
Consensual sex doesn’t work like contract law.
Intoxicated sex happens. There’s a difference between someone who is passed out cold and someone who is still cognizant but highly intoxicated
And how drunk is “too drunk” to make the decision to have sex?
And why can’t a woman can’t be “too drunk” to escape responsibility for making the decision to rob a bank or beat her kids?
It seems to me at some point a person has to take at least some responsibility for for the things they do (or that happen to them) should they endeavor to engage in behavior that causes them to take leave of their senses.
Gah. I had a reply that I was working off and on (mostly off) to compose for the last couple of hours and I just restarted my browser without thinking about it.
I don’t feel like starting over so… you’re getting into kinda complicated issues of consent and mistake and all of that, which better minds than I have worked on. My position is more saying, in a non-legalistic way, “Don’t have sex with people who are really drunk.” And “Don’t defend having sex with people who are really drunk.” And “Having sex with someone who got really drunk on their own is better than drugging them involuntarily, but it’s still not a good situation.”
I don’t think it’s a feminist fallacy, and I think the difference between someone passed out and someone highly intoxicated is not that great.
Do you think these “She claims to have been roofied” are a large percentage of the false rape claims?
I do. There’s been so much coverage of the roofied and rape phenomenon, far in proportion than what it deserves. It’s similar to the Ebola hysteria. Everyone with a a chest cold thought they had Ebola. Every woman who had a few drinks, thinks the evil man slipped a roofie into her drink.
So, got some stats?
Should drunk drivers be held accountable? They were drunk when the crash occurred.
Take a look at this recent thread
Should muggers be prosecuted for robbing lost drunks?
I don’t see any stats in that thread for the number of rape accusations where people blamed roofies. I actually don’t see any stats in that thread at all.
I don’t think I’ll be able to find actual stats. I pointed to the thread to show that I"m not the only one highly skeptical of ‘roofied and raped’ as anything more than an Urban Legend.