Cancer sneaks back, just when you're least expecting it

My family’s already been through this once, and now it’s happening again? I thought it was supposed to be meaningful once you passed the five-year “Survivor” mark, but apparently cancer just hangs around quietly, waiting to give a Nelson-like HA-ha! three months later.

My dad is not the nicest person on earth. He’s really in a pretty low percentile, if you ask me or my brother. And it’s ironic that the tongue he used to shout at us and tear us down when we were kids, the tongue he used to belittle my mother and demand her meek obedience constantly, the tongue he used to drink more bourbon than should be humanly possible every night, the tongue he used to overeat until he is WAY past morbidly obese, that it’s this tongue that has turned on him and developed oral cancer.

Again. Because this happened before, 6 years ago, and it was hellish for all concerned. He was given a 1 in 4 chance, and told that he could either do a radiation-and-chemo combo so powerful that he would not get to try it again later, or he could have surgery that could be so destructive as to remove lower jaw, tongue, and most teeth. Well, duh, he chose radiation and chemo, and it really was intense. 8 weeks of radiation 2x every day, and during that time 2 2-week periods in the hospital with constant chemo. Absolutely awful, but we got through it. And they pronounced him cured!

2 weeks later they said they were wrong, but surgery was now the only option. So surgery it was, and luckily it wasn’t as destructive as they predicted - just a shortening of the tongue, a little bone out of the jaw, all the lymph nodes from the neck and shoulder. Mom and I spent the two weeks afterwards at the hospital with him - someone was there 24/7, literally, because he wanted it that way. Then we brought him home and got to do twice a day trach cleanings, feed him through the NG tube, wake up in the middle of the night to give medicines, etc., for another 3 weeks. Yeah, good times.

But again they pronounced him cured! For a couple of years he did make an effort to be a better person, and was actually pretty nice to be around. Slowly, though, he went back to drinking, and ate enough to gain all his weight back plus another 75 pounds. And drinking’s never positive with Dad, he’s mean and petty and controlling. He’s retired, and does nothing but sleep, sit on the couch and watch television, and visit thrift shops and yard sales to waste money on crap that has filled up all the rooms in the house. All my life I’ve watched him make my mom’s life as difficult as possible, and I’ve hated him for it, and now I have to pretend like I care for her sake.

Since dad’s “cure,” my brother finished college and took a job that lets him travel a lot, and I moved about 5 hours away. And this would be the time that that wacky cancer decides to return! How am I supposed to help out like I did before? Back then, it was easy for me to take him to radiation everyday by taking time off from work and driving across town. Now it’s going to be a struggle to take a couple of weeks off. Saddest of all, I know in my heart that I’ll only be doing it for my mom. And apparently when she told my brother about all this, he just said “oh.” And when she asked if he would be in town this week, he said “nope.” And that was it. So now she’s emailing me about how selfish he is. Damn it! This is not the time for the family to dissolve into hurt feelings and manly stoicism. She’s going to need my brother’s help, and I swear I will kick his ass if he’s not there for her.

My terrible gut feeling is that dad will refuse treatment, and that he may be even more proactive than that. With his drinking, pessimism, depression, and paranoia (let’s not even get into all that), I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he takes matters into his own hands. If that’s his choice, I only hope that he makes it bearable for mom. And this makes me feel especially terrible, that I don’t really care all that much if he kills himself, except for how it will affect my mom.

So I don’t know who or what I’m pitting. My dad for being an asshole for most of my life? Cancer for being horrible and sneaky and likely deadly this time? My brother for being taciturn and laid back? My mom for not understanding that my brother’s pretty low-key but responsible when push comes to shove? Myself for not loving my dad very much? Myself for feeling that I’m just going to be inconvenienced by all this? I have no idea. I just know that the next year of my life is going to suck, but not nearly as much as it will for my mom, and definitely not as much as it’s going to suck for my dad.

SS

Why, why, why did you put this in the pit then? Are you trying to force the MPSIMS versus BBQ Pit issue. Yaargh.

Good luck and everything but did you really think the flame arena is where you wanted to hash this out.

Did you just stop reading at that point? He goes on to list everything he is pitting.

I hope everything works out for you, Sinusoidal

Yes, actually, it is. I’m very angry and upset about all of this, and I hoped it would make me feel better to bitch. If you require it, I can rank the things I’m pitting, would that help you out? First would be cancer, second would be my dad, third would be my own feelings of guilt. How’s that, is it more clear now? Did I need to actually say “Fuck cancer” for this to qualify as a pit? Fine, fuck cancer. There you go.

Actually I don’t give a shit.

In that case, I sure do appreciate you taking your valuable time to let me know! So generous of you!

Hey, sharing is what makes us human.

Hey Sinusoidal Saurus! You’re right. Cancer sucks, and what sucks even more is when your family seems to go to pieces right when you need them the most.

It would piss me off royally to have my sibling bail like that. If he doesn’t care about your Dad, then fine, but looks like he’d have the sack to help your mom through this. When a spouse is ill, possibly terminally, people forget that lending a helping hand can do more to help the primary caregiver than the ill person.

I hope you and yours can find a way through this mess.

No, if you truly didn’t give a shit, you’d keep silent. What you are doing here is deliberately acting like a 10 gallon asshat because other threads in the pit have you more wound up than your stunted intellect can come to grips with.

Good luck, Sinusoidal Saurus

January 2004, my wife lost her brother to cancer. Nine months later, and one week after our wedding, she lost her mother to cancer. She lost a sister to cancer in 1999.
Yeah, cancer sucks.

Well you gave enough of a shit to come in here and shit on this thread.

Eh, I’m not too concerned with CarnalK. Believe me, compared to my dad, Carnal’s a little yippy dog, loud but easy to ignore because he has nothing worthwhile to say.

Thanks to the rest of you guys, though. It helps a lot just to be able to put my baser feelings out there, and any caring responses - especially from those who’ve been there - are a bonus. FaerieBeth, I’m reserving judgement on my little brother. We’ve just found out about this, and no real help has been required yet. I’ll wait to see if he comes through, and I believe he will. He might just need a kick or two from big sister to get started.

Well compared to your Dad having cancer, no shit I’m a “yapping dog”. You’d be twisted if you thought otherwise.

It’s just that personally, I don’t come to the pit to read a bunch of people stroking yet another victim of life. That is what I was “flaming”- the coming results of your OP, not you or any of the things you don’t quite pit.

To those of you inevitables who’ll tell me to “just not read it”, consider this a letter to the editor: get rid of the “Lifestyles” section. I don’t like paying for it.

I dunno. I’m about half an inch from hitting Report This Post on Carnal’s post. So I made this post instead.

Cancer sucks. But there are worse things. My grandfather was 97. He survived three heart attacks in a week, and they scheduled him for a surgery in two weeks.

He survived another five heart attacks in two weeks.

He didn’t survive the sixth.

I didn’t hear about it till… well. If someone had told me, I would have been able to say goodbye. I admired that man. I loved him. He was everything I still want to grow up to be.

My grandmother, other side… I called her out of the blue one day. Because I could. And because my mother was nagging me. It was a nice conversation. For two people with nothing in common. And that day she had a stroke. She was a vegetable for six months, and then she died.

I managed to say goodbye to her, but it was… well. It hurt just as much because it was an empty conversation.

It always hurts. It always, always hurts, and there’s nothing you can do about it. No matter what you choose, it never ends right. Do the best you can, make the best choice you can find. Family comes first, and you do what is needed… but don’t let them devour your life, too.

Are you sure you’re not infringing upon the “don’t be a jerk” rule?

While I certainly am not trying to say anything one way or the other, it certainly seems like you’ve walked right up to that line, and dangled a foot across…

CarnalK, don’t be a jerk.

Lynn
For the Straight Dope

My goodness, you didn’t lock the thread for safety’s sake?
Some may think that pissing in the corn flakes makes you a jerk, but I find the corniness of these flakes particularly absorbant- so look out fountain boy.

In online discussions I’m a pretty trusting guy, it’s just easier usually. If we were having some argument about cancer treatment or familial responsibility I would probably take the OP (as a inthread post) at face value. I’d consider your post as some insight into the experience. I would be careful not to generalize from your thoughts but still feel something was added - as long as you yourself didn’t overgeneralize. But here, the whole thread is about you. If we debate familial responsibilities now, we are dis/agreeing with YOU in YOUR situation.I don’t know you. I can’t get to know you here. I don’t want to discuss your personal life.
The thing is that if I have to self Mod so much, when I have to “just not read” a certain percentage of threads or actually start putting people on my ignore list, I have to wonder what the point is in coming to a well moderated board. When I first came here I wondered why anyone would put someone on their ignore list- I liked reading opinions of some of the people I cyber-hated. Now I feel an urge to ignore nice and jerk alike, because it’s just way more than I want.

Originally posted by Carnal K

You might count the ‘I’'s in your own next paragraph, asshole.

See: This board isn’t about what you [or any other semi-autist] would like, either. Some people actually interact with each-other. If you have a problem with that, stay anonymous at the LJ.

All my best, Sinusoidal Saurus.

I don’t understand your point of view at all. The OP is stressed about a family member, who he doesn’t particularly like, who has cancer.

Perhaps he put it in the pit because he thought he might want to swear or call someone a goat-felcher.

Why the hell do you care? I mean REALLY, why do you care? Obviously, you can not read it. Or, if you must read it, you could not comment on it. Or, if you must comment on it, you could say ‘Gee, tough.’ and be done with it.

Why on earth do you feel the need to come in here and shit on the OP because his expression of stress and grief isn’t up to your standards? I really think you’re a big stupid asshole for doing so.

Sheesh.

PS - to the OP - good luck - I hope your family finds a peaceful resolve to it’s problems.

Well golly, off I go.