My dogs breath smells like cat food.
I have a pair of canvas shoes in my closet, but I’m not kinky enough to want to fuck them.
I’m afraid I really can’t right now, not without breaking a promise of confidentiality. I can tell you that right now he is acutely aware he’s screwed up badly.
Please, people, I may have no right to ask this, but I’ve got to give it a shot. We’ve all acted stupidly and foolishly at times, especially when we were younger. We’re also here to fight ignorance, and you can’t do that without engaging the enemy. Right now, Ryle’s fighting his own bit of ignorance face-to-face and hand-to-hand. Like I said, right now he’s more aware than any of us that he’s made a rather big mistake. Please give him a chance to learn from it.
CJ
Ryledup, my old mum and both my sisters suffer from FM.
My mum characterizes the times when she has difficulty thinking things through as “stupid attacks,” and folks cut her plenty of slack.
She can still argue pretty much as well as she ever did, though.
Don’t try to blame your FM for your failure to articulate yourself at all.
You don’t have to present an air-tight, attorney-quality case-- just the barest sketch of what has offended you will be more than adequate.
What did she say, where did she say it, and why are your personally offended? If you have any sort of a point at all, people will line up to help you make your case.
If it was the boinking fourteen-year-olds thread that set you off, I’m well-prepared to argue on your side, in spite of the fact that I think CanvasShoes is generally a sweetheart.
Hell, I was sexually active at 13, and consider that I was at least as responsible as any of the adults I knew. It’s quite possible for people to be responsible and to know their own mind at that age – if anything, we are a culture that encourages retardation of maturity well beyond what is natural for human beings. It’s a mistake to work from the assumption that all young people should have their basic human rights abridged “for their own good.”
If this is what you’re riled up about, I for one would be obliged to help you with your argument.
The thing is, we still don’t know what you’re so mad about.
Throw us a bone.
Fair enough.
Whatever your deal is, Ryle Dup, you might want to think really hard about what it is you want to say before you say it.
And I’m out, out of courtesy to you and CJ.
Well, for one, look at the poster’s sig.
And, for two:
*siege n.
The surrounding and blockading of a city, town, or fortress by an army attempting to capture it.
A prolonged period, as of illness: a siege of asthma.
Obsolete. A seat, especially a throne.
tr.v. sieged, sieg·ing, sieg·es
To subject to a siege; besiege.*
Okay, Siege, I will await further developments. Whatever the merits of what set off Ryle Dup, though, I’d say there’s an explanation/apology owed on this thread, when he can get his thoughts in order. Yup, we all make stupid mistakes (please don’t ask me for an accounting of my own monstrous tally), but part of learning and growing from them is to fess up and ask forgiveness.
I apologize if that sounds sanctimonious, but I gotta say, from my own painful experience, it will make him feel a LOT better if that’s the route he chooses. And – not so incidentally – will win him back much of the respect he forfeited.
never had any respect.
everyones right, i dont have excuses, m better off dead
Ryle, you’ve got a choice here.
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You can melt down in self-pity and self-hatred, and get some satisfaction out of making some people feel guilty as all get-out (without justification, btw) while you’re doing it. That’s the choice you’ve started, but you don’t have to continue with it. It’s fun, in that you get to make lots of other people feel bad, but it has the down side of being suicidal, so on the whole I don’t recommend it.
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You can admit you were wrong in whatever way you were (I have no idea), apologize, and discover that pretty much no one here (and certainly not Canvas Shoes) will hold it against you. There’s not one of us here who hasn’t made an ass of him or herself, and most of us feel we’ve excelled in that particular field many times.
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You can walk away and forget the entire thing. That would work for some people, but I have a feeling that at this point it would still bother you, and you’d still feel like you fucked up royally.
I don’t know exactly what’s bothering you, and how much of it is related to what has happened on the SDMB. But what I can tell you is that this is a good place to get help if you need it. There are a lot of really bright, caring people here, and they aren’t quick to jump on someone who’s going through a rough time, unless he’s deliberately trying to make himself obnoxious. Or rather, they are quick to jump, but they’re just as quick to jump off, and offer a hand, or a lot of hands, to help you up.
But you have to be willing to help yourself too. One, maybe two rounds of self-pity are all you get - then people will just get disgusted. So you’ve had your one, and right now you’ve got sympathy. Use it to good purpose. 
First off, when this becomes an actual rant I might try to address it. From what I’ve seen Canvas has done her level best to remain civil while explaining her POV, and I have yet to see a point that she hasn’t either addressed or conceded. But I’m not 14, I’m not inarticulate, and I’m not hypersensitive, so I could be missing something. That said…
Oh for CRYING OUT LOUD. Are you related/married to IDBB by any chance??
I also know what’s going on behind the scenes, but I’m not going to be nearly as kind as Seige, mainly because I’m SICK and TIRED of this poor-pitiful-me-I’m-gonna-kill-myself crap. It’s been going on for ages and we’re still at the exact same spot.
You have FM? Damn. Sucks to be you. I’ve had FM and MS since 1998. Up til recently I was working +80 hours per week, going to grad school full time, and building my house whenever I was home. Did I have bad days? Did I hurt? Did I have times when I ran into things, dropped things, couldn’t find the word for things as simple as “chair”? Hells yeah. Did I let it stop me? Fuck no. I never let this damned inconvenience become a crutch. Go to the doctor, ask about the latest treatments (there are some good ones), get yourself better.
Oh, wait. I forgot. People have suggested that. In fact they’ve supported you, coddled you, empathized with you, excused your behavior, given you some really great suggestions, and yet not only have you never made any noise of appreciation, you’ve never made any attempts at change either. You’d rather lay back, foist off responsibility, and look for mysterious signs as to whether your world should end or not.
Go read my last email to you. Read it again, and again, and once more for comprehension. In fact, I’m going to quote part of it here (I’m assuming this is okay, since it’s my email to him, and it doesn’t disclose anything he hasn’t already):
Summary: Shit or get off the pot, pup. Nobody can change anything but you, and so far your track record sucks.
CJ, I’m sorry I couldn’t honor your wishes. But I simply couldn’t keep my mouth shut on this anymore, and for some reason all my private emails to ryle are ignored. :rolleyes: FWIW, I think you’re a truly wonderful woman for continuing to give your all to this situation, and I wish I could have 1/100th the patience you do.
-BK
go ahead and post your whole email
Okay. That’s it. The cognitive behaviorist in me just can’t stand
it any
more. I’ve been just aching to (figuratively, of course) bitch-slap
you for
ages now.
I’m tired of the “I’ve got to kill myself” “I need to
die” crap from you.
Either suck it up, CHANGE what you don’t like about your life, or
just bloody
well go ahead and do it. Quit whining about it, and quit yanking the
really
terrifically nice people on this board around.I’ve watched people
support
you, coddle you, empathize with you, give you some really great
suggestions,
and yet not only do I never see any note of appreciation from you,
or any
attempts at change, you repeatedly come back with this mood-swinging,
heart-
tugging, suicidal bullshit.
And WTH is with your last post? Are you drinking? On drugs?
'Cause, oh
hells yeah, THAT’ll help with the depression. If I managed to parse
out the
garble-speak correctly, you were looking for some kind of
“sign”
from “somewhere” that would indicate you “have to
die” and you “have to kill
yourself.” One, I bet some of the people on the 'dope would be
happy to sell
you their tinfoil hats to help with those errant “signs”
from “somewhere.”
Two, way to shirk responsibility! Three, here’s a sign: Shit or get
off the
pot, pup. But if your Magic 8-Ball happens to tell you that all
signs point
to you offing yourself, and you happen to have any nice stereo
equipment or a
particularly nice hat, could you send it on to me first? I’m always
in the
market.
Know what? We’ve all been there. Some of us are still there. But
almost
all of us are living through it, putting one foot in front of the
other, and
some of us are actually quite successful, both in the endeavor to
control our
mental illness, and in our personal/professional lives. I look at
people
like Noc and CJ and think “DAMN, those are some people that are
giving the
world hell!” They aren’t always on top of it, sometimes the
beast wins a
round or two, but damned if they’re not winning the war. Take a
note, hey?
fuck you too, im done with this sympathy shit, I never fucking asked for your goddamn sympathy, i never fucking cared.
i posted because i wanted to say what i thought, wanted to get input from people who have gone through this same shit, why don’t you piss off?
i see the kinda response im getting, so i guess its all the more reason to go through with this, i WAS going to waait till i was 18 to kill myself but ive been more tempted every day, i really hate the pain in slitting my wrists but its gonna be worth it to escape this piece of shit world.
Bob Kitty, would you please do me a favor and, when you see someone standing on the edge of a cliff looking out over the edge, not give them a push forward?
I assume you’ve been following on Cecil’s Place. Right now, I don’t think Ryle needs any help from you or anyone else around here when it comes to thinking he doesn’t deserve to live. Having been in that position within the past year myself, I’d rather we get him through this first!
CJ
Based on your last couple of posts, Ryle Dupe, I ask you to seek help - please do so immediately. We’re here for you, but the people you really need to be conversing with are those with credentials that can assist you in moving forward and being happy. Good luck to you -
I doubt that any of us here can help you significantly, ryled up, except to point you in the right direction.
You can (and should!) talk to a trained councellor. Try (415) 499-1100 for one in your area.
Ryle, quite frankly, I would avoid coming here for a while. No, I’m not kicking you out, I’m suggesting you take a break from the boards, any boards, and get some real life help.
When you’re on the net, even if you are in a chat room or on a MB, you’re isolating yourself from interaction with people in a meaningful way.
The internet can be entertaining. You may feel like part of a community. But, it’s very nature is based on anonymity. (IMHO)
When posters and chatters seem to have turned against you (note I say “seem to”), then it feels like real people shitting on you.
It isn’t. It’s simply an construct of electrons.
You need real life, face to face, audible, tactile interaction with flesh and blood humans. Especially if you are a young person coping with problems.
Now, you can use the net to keep up with real life friends. You can even come to know (in a small way) people you might like to interact with in real life. It can enhance real life. But, the internet (including The Straight Dope) is not real life.
So, instaed of sitting alone in front of a computer, trying to make sense out of life and life’s blessings and hassles, seek out a real person you can talk to. Don’t isolate yourself. That leads to loneliness, frustration, bitterness, and self loathing.
No one needs that.
I’m rooting for you. Even though I don’t know you. Hopefully, you’ll find a listening ear and a helping hand. But, you may have to search for them.
Then, come back and tell us all about it. No one will hold anything against you. No one of any real importance IRL, anyways.
Good luck.
i cant talk to people, doesnt work, never will.
sigh
I really think the OP needs to get himself to a hospital, post haste. Or at least, quit this thread. No good can come of this.
It’s only going to get worse.
Go crawl back under the dark dank rock whence you came from you piece of shit.
Jesus Christ, World Eater, are you paying attention at all?
People, please listen to Siege, she clearly knows what she’s talking about.