I see Ryle Dup just started a Pit thread that was closed by the mods.
I seem to recall that this same Ryle Dup started another Pit thread a while ago, which started with him yelling at another member and then degenerated into his/her saying he/she wanted to commit suicide. So naturally, everyone rushed in to help, and the thread was forgiven. Ok, fair play to Ryle Dup.
But I have to say I’m little surprised at Ryle Dup entering the Pit AGAIN after that event. It’s almost like he/she has a get-out-of-jail free card. If the pitting doesn’t work, then he/she can always wail, “Oh, I’m worthless, I’m going to kill myself!”
It may not happen, if it doesn’t, fine. But I would like to go on record as saying I don’t think the “I’m-going-to-kill-myself” tactic is anything more than blackmail. I didn’t say this at the time because I’m sure fifty people would have jumped on me for endangering Ryle Dup’s life. But now the crisis is over, I think it should be possible to discuss this as a general topic without hysteria.
You may yet get your 50 jumping people. Given that R D was simply venting in the Forum for venting (although he dragged in an off-board reference, contrary to our code), I’m not quite sure why you have decided to bring up earlier personal issues out of context.
The second thread has already been closed. Not much harm done.
It’s just been two threads that he’s started. And he started them in the Pit, where (as tomndebb points out) venting and ranting is allowed. So it’s no biggie.
Now, if this sort of thing keeps happens again and again and again, that’s a different story. However, I am sure we are all hoping that it won’t keep happening.
I think it’s a sad day in this world when we just automatically assume people who threaten suicide are lying. I’d rather have him think me an ass for trying to help him through a false breakdown than sit around and do nothing because it might be a joke.
Ryle Dup has got serious, and genuine, problems. If he generates a bit of extra junk in the Pit while working through them, well, I for one can live with that. It’s not as if the Pit has a great signal-to-noise ratio at the best of times.
cole burner so you clutter up the place with stupid pit threads about how somebody else clutters up the place with stupid threads. Get a fucking grip will ya.
Why did you start this thread? I think it was more about your ego than it was with frustration at Ryle
I can quite sympathize with his problems, and dearly hope he gets the help he needs, whatever that may be. That said, he’s 14 years old. Perhaps the internet isn’t the best place for him to be working out these problems?
Amen. Had I known about his age and personal problems, I probably would have ignored the ill-conceived thread in question. I’m not qualified to deal with him any other way, but more importantly, I don’t know everyone’s history. If someone needs special consideration, this isn’t the best place to get it.
Bringing up a past embarassements under the circumstances doesn’t show much class, cole.
There is a REASON to bring up the past, even if its embarrssing, and that reason is to prevent problems in the future.
I don’t like the idea that I have to watch my step around a poster. If I’m Pitted, I feel it’s my right to give back as strongly as I get. But now we have a poster who’s still free to enter the Pit and attack people, but has a magical Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card. He’s like the little brother who hits the big brother, confident that if Big Bro gets pissed and starts whaling on him, he can always cry, “Moooom!” And of course Mom’s response will be, “Don’t hit your baby brother!”
Yes, he’s 14, yes, he’s got real problems. I wish him the best in solving them. But who here thinks that the best way for a severely depressed, suicidal fourteen-year-old to cope with his problems is a message board?
Sorry. I think that if you choose to play here, you don’t get to play the suicide card to get out of trouble, it’s a form of emotional blackmail and I don’t agree that catering to it is right. As someone who’s not an adult, he doesn’t necessarily have the right to decide to kill himself, but he doesn’t have the right to trash people here and then hide behind the threat either.
I’m quite confident that if he was really going to kill himself, he would have just done it. It’s a waste of time to go on a message board and expect someone to talk you out of it.
Good grief!! Give the poor kid a break. I didn’t see his second pit thread, but even though I was the “object” of his first one, I’m totally behind him 100%!
Let him get his “doper legs”. He’ll do just fine once he’s feeling a bit better.
Lord Ashtar, people do announce their intention to commit suicide, and then go on to do it. And some people attempt suicide as a plea for attention, but unfortunately end up succeeding at it. So, I’m inclined to take these things seriously.
Jessity, dunno if this is an appropriate place for him or not … probably not, but if he’s coming here, I’d be a little, ummm, judicious about deciding to throw him out. I mean (with all due respect), the worst he can be to us is an irritant. It’s just possible, though, that we could be a lifeline to him.
Perhaps it’s all he’s got right now? At least he IS reaching out. Which is much better than the alternative.
What difference does it make? As someone else said, it’s not as if we’re solving the speed of light issue here or anything.
Did he pit you? Well then address that 'pitting" directly, maybe try to figure it etc.
What you said in the rest of your thread makes sense to an adult, and is “fair and equitable” as far as that goes. But 14 is tough, and clinical depression makes it even tougher.
Some do, which is why it should be taken seriously. My understanding (which is perhaps wrong, I’m willing to admit that) is that most of the time when someone yells, “I’m going to kill myself!” it’s no more than a cry for attention. Then again, I seem to remember in the other thread someone saying they knew Ryle Dup IRL and that he was having problems. In which case, ignore what I said earlier.
Closed because I didn’t know it was against the rules to post things regarding IRC discussions. It’s not in the agreement (that I have seen or remember) and in around 3 years of reading SD I can’t remember seeing it mentioned.
Yeah, I had a qualm with Jessity, but only because she was judging me by my age. I’m not going to respond to the rest of your post, just that I don’t believe I have gotten any free passes.
Just because someone’s not going to physically put a gun to their head or take pills or whatever, doesn’t mean their overall behavior pattern is healthy. Doesn’t mean they don’t need help. I’ve called suicide hotlines a time or two and said upfront, “I’m not going to kill myself, but can I still talk to you, because I am in a very bad way?” They said yes, and they were able to help me.
Maybe Ryle will never make the attempt, but whatever is bothering him seems to be eating away at his mind, and if he doesn’t get help of some kind, he could end up just a wasted shell of a human. That is a kind of death.
I don’t believe it’s against the rules to post “Fuck you” in the pit. I apologized to CanvasShoes ( at least I think I did, if not, then I do now! ) and if you will notice, the first mention of problems was not by me.
And If you’ll notice, it wasn’t ‘everyone rushing in to help’ I still got quite a bit of backlash. I don’t believe the thread was forgiven, except maybe by CanvasShoes, for which I’m grateful, I believe it was forgotten.
If you do not understand the seriousness of suicide, then I can’t even begin to explain how honest I was being.
