Well, the credentials thing was because he brought up her being a lawyer so should be willing to debate anyone, so it’s fair to say you need equal standing to ensure the debate is meaningful. If he’s going to bring up her profession, then she can stand on the qualifications of that profession.
But I love how she got all offended he called her “Sweetie” but then turned around and told him he couldn’t talk to her any more, the debate was over. That was just as demeaning a response as Meatloaf’s calling her an endearment, and Meatloaf’s was unintentionally demeaning, whereas hers is intentional.
Not to demean lawyers, but her constant “I’m a lawyer” bit really wore thin. It’s no more difficult to be qualified as a lawyer than a teacher or CPA and if someone kept mentioning “I’m a teacher” in every conversation they would rightfully be though of as a pretentious douche/twat.
Plus, I don’t think you need to have a JD to debate a lawyer. I think my 2 classes in logic and 1 in speech would have allowed me to poke holes in a lot of Starr’s debate. The fact that she refuses to debate any issue after she has her say should tell you how confident she is in a straight up debate.
But my favorite part was when she whispered to Marlee that she was doing the marketing. What makes less sense?
Telling the PM what your going to do?
Whispering to a deaf person so her interpreter can’t hear?
Oh certainly, always going on about being a lawyer is annoying. I’m just saying in that one instance, she had some ground for arguing her credentials - Meatloaf brought up that she was a lawyer.
But yeah, I’m not fond of her “I’ll state my position and then you aren’t allowed to state yours”. She did that with NeNe, and she tried it on Meatloaf, but he wouldn’t let her get away with that.
I missed the whispering incident, but heard about it, and that is surely amusing. Arguably it’s the kind of thing someone who isn’t accustomed to being around a deaf person might unwittingly do when not thinking about who they are talking to and going into a common behavior pattern for themselves.
I could see in that situation saying to the PM “I think I should do the marketing/branding/visuals” or whatever. Coming out as “I am doing …” is a bit strong, depending on the context and tone of voice. Whispered to a deaf person is hilarity.
In the case of Meatloaf vs. Star - she wouldn’t respond to him because she knew he was right and there was nothing to argue. She knew there was nothing she could say to make herself right - and him wrong. Major character flaw in my book.
As for her style, she had NONE! She was not even witty enough to argue and I’d hate for her to represent me in a courtroom. She’s adapted the ‘I’m not arguing with you because you’re stupid’, in lieu of, ‘I’m not arguing with you because I really can’t think of anything to say.’
Dee Snider did a brief appearance in the commercial. Def Leppard is supposed to play at the charity event. Assuming Rich didn’t piss them off too badly.
Marlee’s stuff looks so cheesy. The video with Disco Man Richard and LaToya the Superwoman seems very unusable. They are bringing in the 7Up Actor without knowing what he looks like after 30 years. It looks like a mess.
I bought some retro Mountain Dew last month.Original packaging from 1969 and made with sugar. Looked like a test market with only a few bottles for sale. Great stuff. Wanted more.
Well, I predicted John Rich vs. Marlee Matlin for the finals, so I’m not surprised. Too obvious really. As is JR winning it all. Like in all previous seasons they’re using the same old formula of manufacturing crises for both teams to create some suspense for next week’s finale. But the ultimate winner has been clear for a long time now.
What is up with Marlee picking Meat Loaf again after seeing what a frayed and unfocused worker he is? Watching him dominate the creativity process again with his wild ass ideas seems like a near-exact repeat of last week. If I were her, choosing Lil John, who has proven to be solid worker with good ideas, would have been a no-brainer.
I know I am reading wayyy too much into this. I know I have some serious racial baggage with this comment. I’m going to put that right out there, because it will be obvious.
I think Lil’ John would have voted for himself if there were two black people up against him. I think when it came right down to it, he felt like the black rapper with something to prove, up against two white folks that he felt would be looked at as more…professional?
I have no reason to believe this, other than my own racial baggage picked up by my own experiences. I like Lil’ John just fine (not his music though) and I don’t consider him an ‘uncle tom’ or anything like that. I am just opining on a Hollywood t.v. show…not making a judgment of the man as much as his Hollywood persona. I admit that I don’t know the man.
Ah, yes, I finally realized that in the last half hour or so.
Anyway, exactly what was the problem they were having with Def Leppard. I heard John Rich say something about wanting to put a kick drum on stage, and the band having an issue with that, but they didn’t really go into a lot of detail.
**Nzinga,**I think I sort of read this into his comments as well, if I’m following you correctly. That he wasn’t saying, “I think Marlee and JR are better than me,” but rather, “I think you and Trump will choose those two over me.” Which I totally got, but I wanted him to go further. He just kind of left it there and let them (especially Piers “I come across as a complete prick” Morgan) parse what he meant. But without challenging them to defy their stereotypes about what an Apprentice should look, act, and sound like - it sounded to some ears, I’m sure, that he was admitting they were stronger than him.
Rich’s shoot looks much more professional and authentic. As aceplace57 notes, the Marlee shoot looks like a bad 70’s themed party. Nothing looks authentic but it’s that ridiculous exaggeration of what the 70’s were. Kind of like if you were to do the 90’s and either rock Hammer pants or do yourself up like Eddie Vedder in the “Evenflow” video. Yeah, people looked like that, but not all the time. And even Meatloaf was unconvincing as HIMSELF!
Dee Snider looked great as himself. In fact, I hope they worked in the spinning around cheesy effect from the “We’re Not Going To Take It” video in theirs.
Even in the background Star Jones bugs the shit out of me. And is it wrong for me to say, that if I glance at Latoya quickly in the Wonder Woman outfit, that I find her strangely hot?
As said, she didn’t get a shot at Lil Jon, John Rich picked him first. I can see why she picked Meatloaf - he is very creative and has a lot of great ideas. However, he needs guidance and direction, which is what Marlee failed to provide the previous week. And it appears to be repeating.
I found it curious that Marlee went with Meatloaf and was hesitant to pick Star. I know, the two of them didn’t work well together, so avoiding getting them both makes sense, but picking Meatloaf over Star stuck out to me. Star and Marlee didn’t seem to have problems working together to me.
If I followed right, John wanted to announce them by having the drummer on stage doing a kick drum beat, and then announce like a big concert deal “Here’s Def Leppard” or whatever. The agent for the band didn’t want their drummer to be on stage doing the kick drum because he wanted the drummer to come out on stage with the others. Or something. The details weren’t conveyed well, just that John was all pissed off because apparently the band’s manager was getting hung up on contract deal things, and John was hoping they’d just agree to whatever because it’s “for charity”. Except it’s not for charity. Sure there’s a game involved that get’s money for the charity, but the commercial and print ad and stage show are for the ad campaign for 7-Up.
Yeah, the question Joan Rivers asked was “who do you think will end up in the final 2”, and when he said John and Marlee, Piers changed the meaning to “You don’t think you deserve to be in the final two?” That’s a different question. Lil Jon should have hammered “That’s not what you asked”, but he didn’t, he started talking about how he didn’t come on expecting to win, he came on to earn money for his charity and to defy stereotypes. Well, he didn’t seem fully committed. If he had argued instead “Wait, you asked me who I think you’ll pick, so that’s what I answered,” that would have been better. Not sure it would have mattered.
Yeah, the cheese factor is pretty high. Marlee was busy doing the print ad shoot and not overseeing the video, and I think that’s going to be the deciding factor. Much more so than Meatloaf’s “the box should be a boom box, that may make the difference”.
Yeah, her flirting with John Rich also came out pretty tacky.
Yeah. It’s a shame for Lil’ John if that one thing really cost him, because I would have loved to see him go head to head with John Rich.
Marlee should have chosen Star. I have always despised Star Jones. Until this show. Now I kind of like her. I know, I know. I can’t help it though. But yeah, I think she would have done a great job for Marlee.
Hippy, I said the same thing to my husband. I said, “Look at LaToya in that wonder woman get-up. She’s kind of sexy!”
ETA: Hippy, I put so many qualifiers in because I just didn’t want to be seen as playing the ‘race card’ or something. But I’m glad you were able to see what I mean.
Irishman, I also agree that this is John Rich’s to lose. We know the Def Leppard thing will get worked out. Bringing Geoffrey Holder back is a really good idea, one that might even tip the scales in favor of Marlee’s team, but I have a feeling that will not work out. Nevertheless, Marlee has continued to do what she does best - fade into the background and make the occasional call for big bucks.
Not that I thought Trump was ever an arbiter of good judgment, but I really think she skated on the “I’m Deaf” thing and never really got challenged for not doing very much except have friends with deep pockets. Piers is a smarmy fuck but he did at least challenge her in the interview.
The only person who could have given John Rich a challenge would have been Li’l Jon, but I think JR wisely lied to the interviewers and put Marlee in his place. Aside from the extreme laid-back-itis, he has been a consistently creative and dynamic team member. The one thing Star could probably do is keep a schedule, so that pairing would have been formidable.
People have made comparisons to this season and what went down with Annie Duke and Joan Rivers. I think John Rich is a different kettle of fish - while I can’t say I have a ton of respect for “professional poker players,” John is from a respectable field (country music, can’t get more middle America than that), is articulate, and even though many have said he’s homophobic, he’s wisely hidden that away if true. He’s more “current” than Marlee, whose most recent media attention came from not paying her taxes on time. Assuming Trump is serious in any way about running for president (hint: he’s not), John Rich gives him credibility outside the East Coast. Marlee doesn’t do anything to help his electability prospects.
All this, of course, is aside from the actual performance on the task, which John Rich, I predict, will absolutely smash Marlee on.
I would have liked to heard Star’s rationalization why Lil Jon, Meatloaf, Hatch, and Mark McGrath were all picked ahead of her.
Didn’t Trump said that all contestants wanted (volunteered?) to comeback for the final task? NeNe? I don’t think so. Busey? Cassidy? Warwick? Who would want them to come back.