Perfectly valid pit thread.
But I hereby formally declare any person who gets caught up in the SDMB’s 1000th race debate in the 100th Pit thread on race/intelligence to be a something something something ( add in the creative insult of your choice ). It’s been done to death down through ten generations, don’t fucking debate it again here of all places. Just throw your rocks, fling your feces, spit your spitwads and then move on.
Such a process would be fine. But CP is not doing that, he’s made assertions he says he is certain of, that black people have inherently inferior intelligence on average due to genetics. That’s very different than making a hypothesis.
No, they fucking well are not.
Huh…a whole 5.5 hours before maggie comes in to point out “Racial isn’t Racist” … things are slipping.
Bingo! anyway.
We have. He doesn’t listen. That’s why we call him racist. He ignores any data that doesn’t agree with his hypothesis. He hides it in scientific talk, but it’s still a position he did not reason himself into.
And the fact that he lacks the evidence inherently means he’s being racist, and calling him racist is a way to discourage him from continuing. Since convincing him is impossible, the next best thing is to make it arduous for him to continue posting it.
Now, every time he wants to say something racist, he has to consider whether the backlash is worth it. And I’ve seen it change how he behaves. I remember an entire thread where he kept avoiding saying his usual schtick while discussing affirmative action.
The point is, the default position is that unsupported racist assumptions are false. He doesn’t adhere to that. That alone makes him racist. And we have a reason to let him know this.
Even if he doesn’t learn that it’s wrong, others who read his stuff can. They can find out that such racist bullshit is not acceptable here, and that we won’t fall for this stuff. And he can feel a bit of a chilling effect.
I know this desire to defend others who you think are being ganged up upon. I have it to–for pretty much the same reasons you do. But it’s misplaced in this instance.
That’s what racism means. Nature isn’t racist, because nature doesn’t hold beliefs. It’s remotely possible that racists are correct, but that wouldn’t meant they’d not be racists. It’d just mean that we shouldn’t heap opprobrium on racists for their beliefs.
And this is key. “Racist” isn’t per se an insult; it’s a word to describe a person who holds a certain set of beliefs. It so happens that these beliefs are so pernicious and ugly that we dislike someone holding them, and we shouldn’t accuse someone of holding these ugly beliefs without excellent evidence, because that’s misrepresenting the person.
But when someone like CP comes along and explicitly states his beliefs, there should be no problem at all with characterizing him as a racist.
Really? We’ve had no prior Pit threads for CP? Seems unlikely.
Disagree. (Agree that nature is not racist though.)
Racism ≠ a belief that there are differences on average between different subpopulations in various traits, be those traits math abilities or verbal subset test scores or otherwise.
Racism is an a priori belief that one group is superior to another in the context of such belief being used to justify discrimination and/or inequalities.
Documenting actual differences and commonalities is not in and in itself racist. Specifically looking for data that justifies the a priori belief in service of justifying inequalities, filtering the data to justify those already extant conclusions, that is racist.
And saying that someone does that is an insult.
Of course, the flip side of this, then, is we don’t know enough about intelligence and genetics to disprove the claim that genetic differences account for the large observable differences in intellectual attainment and standardized test scores we see across the races. To claim that intelligence is distributed equally across racial groups when height, weight, skin tone, eye shape, and dozens of other easily-observable genetically-affected characteristics isn’t is to privilege the hell out of the hypothesis, and reveal the demand for data as an isolated demand for rigor.
By the way, since you claim to have disproved the leading research in race-based IQ differences, enough to scare posters away, why not bring it up here? We can have a cite-off!
No that is not a flip side.
There is quite enough of the genetic evidence to say that the idea of “the races” is incoherent relative to a genetic coherence that would make the highly mixed genetical populations of the americans say very much about a genetic race. The population group is not coherent and there is no evidence that is mapping the difference to the extent of the continental origin genetical input.
So the individual aside, the flip side is clearly incoherent and not scientific.
and the international comparison evidence outside of the USA which does not show “large observable differences” of “races” like the different results of the African and the west indian populations of the united kingdom compared to the native british… this makes nonsense of the sweeping claims about "large observable differences’ which show to be badly informed navel gazing.
there is no need to claim such a thing as the “racial groups” are not valid genetical populations for such analysis.
But these errors are common among the ignorant who cling to the archaic ideas.
I should have said that that’s what “racist” means: a racist is someone who, and this is a straight-up dictionary definition, “believes that a particular race is superior to another.”
Obviously, according to this definition you cannot be racist if you don’t believe in races. Someone who believes that there’s a particular gene that occurs disproportionately among people living in Kenya that supplies extra oxygen to the muscles used in running, or whatever (I confess I don’t give a crap about the particulars of that idea) does not by itself indicate that the person holding that belief is racist, because it’s possible to hold that belief and not believe in races, or to hold that belief and not believe that this high-oxygen-gene leads to any meaningful superiority.
But someone who claims that:
a) there are biologically identifiable races; and
b) one of them is intellectually inferior to others
by definition is a racist. Whether they’re correct or incorrect should help us determine whether to praise their acumen or condemn their foolishness, but it has no bearing on whether they’re a racist.
I don’t know. Maybe this time it just might work! 
I was talking to Bricker about CP. I don’t think he’s participated in those threads, and doesn’t know what it’s like to bang one’s head against that particular wall.
Hey, you racist shithead. I didn’t claim intelligence is “distributed equally” because that’s not even a scientific construct. I love how dumbfucks like you who don’t know anything about the topic at all run around lecturing people.
I’ve dealt with this IQ claim in numerous threads you racist fuck. I mean seriously, how stupid do you have to be to bring up IQ scores and think that it’s meaningful in this context? IF you don’t even know the obvious arguments against using IQ as a marker for genetics, you are too stupid to be lecturing people on this topic.
Go fuck yourself you Klan motherfucker. Hope you rot.
Look pitters, I can’t share in your rage (or ridicule it) if you don’t provide some kind of context. Not everybody reads the same threads you do, and not everybody knows of this alleged disruption of social niceties. If you’re going to call somebody a racist, at least put some kind of work into it.
Just what are you wanting to accomplish?
Are you hoping that pointing your e-finger at somebody out of the blue and screaming RACIST will result in a pile-on of the accused without having to put any work or thought into it? Are you relying purely on emotional reaction and don’t want to bother with reasonable discourse? Are you counting on a wave of scorn and disapproval to justify your claim?
Read back over the above paragraph and ask yourself “Who else does that?” Who else makes judgment calls based on scant and minuscule evidence and thinks that one questionable statement is typical of the nature of the accused? Let’s play Charades! First syllable: Sounds like: Beam of light. Second syllable: Sounds like: A membranous sac or cavity of abnormal character containing fluid.
RAY-CYST — the RACISTS! Very good!
I sense a possibility of a pitting genius in the making here, but there’s so much work to do. In an effort to separate you from the typical sack-lunches that use tired, worn-out, meaningless insults, I will help you rewrite that paragraph. You really let me down with the blah-blah-blah though.
Here…
*Listen you fucking nimrods, if you post another race, or race vs. intelligence thread, …I’m going piss all over your depends, hide your yellowish-green false teeth, put kerosene in your hair dye, steal your power chair and replace your Viagra with estrogen supplements. *
Racists don’t want to learn about science, but run around lecturing the rest of us about science to promote their racism.
Then assholes like you show up to demand the rest of us be nice to the racists, when the racists are the ones running around being dishonest and vile. All you are is an evil asshole who is carrying water for racists. Go fuck yourself, you immoral shithead.
It’s very difficult to C&P examples that really get across the years and years and years of these threads. I will say that we have some amazing Dopers who have been unrelenting in their dedication not to let racist bullshit sit unchallenged, lest newbies stumble across it and think the logic sound.
Fuck your context. If you’re unaware of the reason for the pitting, all that does is mark you as ignorant of activities on the message board you frequent. I wouldn’t parade my ignorance so happily, if I were you.
And those ignorant people can just ignore this pitting.
Or open their damn fool ignorant mouths and threadshit, whatever…
The pit doesn’t exist solely for your entertainment, idiot.
And tu quoque is your big finale? Seriously? Get the fuck out, n00b.
You should make that your sig file.