Let’s not forget how the Jews continued to launch rockets into downtown Berlin prior to the start of the war.
You can take similar pictures from any two armed conflicts and try and make a comparison, but they are meaningless without taking into account the context of the conflict.
Huh?
Look at your pics again. They are out of context comparisons. Israel has every right to build a fence to keep people out of their country. They are not imprisoning Palestinians. BIG difference.
Hey, guess where else there is a fence keeping people out? The US/Mexico border.
The side-by-side comparison is certainly striking. But I think the same effect could be achieved with photographic evidence from several other wars and genocides, with the right sifting and selection.
That was my reaction to
It’s striking bullshit.
Can I take a picture of anyone at a fence and say that is equivalent to Jews at a fence at a concentration camp?
Nope. Not and try to draw a reasonable comparison anyway.
Since this is an, um, Great Debate: Context is everything. You can make any comparison you like by a picture to someone who is unfamiliar with the underlying situation or the history and it will look convincing. You see this all the time with CTers of various stripes. Without context though no valid comparison can be made…and there IS no comparison between the Holocaust and what happened or is happening in Gaza or in Palestine.
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That’s pretty strong words. Are there really NO comparision ?
Except the barrier cuts through Palestinian land, preventing many of them from accessing their fields.
I don’t think anything compares to the Holocaust, which killed 10 million people (I refuse not to count the 4 million miscellaneous), but that doesn’t take away from the fact that alot of innocent people are dying, killed by a far superior military force (unless people really believe that Hamas was firing rockets from a UN school;)).
There’s a comparison. They both involve people. Some with guns.
Why does there even need to be a comparison? If you think Israeli policy in Gaza is bad, just make that argument. Why the need to make it by reference to Nazi behavior that’s fairly disanalogous? If the Nazis never existed, would Israeli policy no longer be bad?
The most the conjunction of superficially-similar photos shows is some contrived sub-Alanis Morrisette “irony.” How does that advance the argument about what Israel is or should be doing NOW?
None save those superficial comparisons that people attempt to use to supposedly make a point. “Hey look! Here is a fence with people on the other side. THERE is a fence with people on the other side! They are comparable!”. Only the ignorant or those with an agenda would attempt to make such comparisons based on pictures alone. The REASON they would do so is that for the ignorant context is meaningless and too much work…and for those with an agenda they don’t WANT to show the context because they know it makes their case look really stupid.
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Fortunately one cannot produce pictures of dead american children in an armed conflict or of soldiers pointing automatic weapons at american children.
I’m not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
We have thousands of pictures of American civilians killed when some idiots rammed airplanes into the buildings they were in. There are pictures of American children who were on the planes in question. If I take a picture of that out of context does that mean there is a comparison between 9/11 and the Holocaust as well?
This new learning amazes me though. Maybe the OP could explain again how sheep’s bladders can be used in preventing earthquakes…
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Even if we suppose that is the case and look at it no further that is still a very different thing than fencing in Palestinians while they await being marched into gas chambers.
I’m pretty sure this is a good thing. 
If the Nazis had stopped at rounding up Jews and fencing them into ghettos, with the collateral violence that enforcing this policy entailed, then at the very broadest level, someone could suggest some analogy (again, I’m not sure why they’d want or need to – if it’s wrong, it’s wrong, whether Hitler did it, or not) with what Israel’s doing.
But then if that’s all the Nazis had done, we wouldn’t talk of a Holocaust – the mere segregation of Jews behind fences would be a known-of but not especially notorious act of authoritarianism and racial animus, just one of many in WWII and by the Nazis.
When people say “Holocaust” they mean “intentionally and systematically killing large swathes of the segregated people,” a la Germany post Wannsee. That’s not what’s happening in Gaza (though the recent campaigns are arguably harsh and overreaching), so the OP is flawed on that basis alone.
January 2009: Vatican cardinal calls Gaza “big concentration camp”
Cardinal Renato Martino, President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace compared Gaza Strip to a “huge concentration camp.”
That’s fine.
So what? A “concentration camp” could be any area in which people are confined.
That is not a death camp.
Maybe the Palestinians shouldn’t be confined, the way they are.
That does not make the Israelis Nazis. And (even more to the point for anyone trying to sympathize with the Palestinians) it is neither necessary nor feasible to prove that the Israelis are Nazis, in order to argue that they are treating the Palestinians badly and should stop.
No. It is a ridiculous comparison. Can’t see any evidence for the provenance the OP claims for them though.
Outrageous comparisons like this one do nothing to advance understanding on both sides. Nor do they advance the cause of long term peace.
The boers were held in concentration camps. The Irish where held in one, Frongoch camp after the 1916 Rising.
Concetration camps are just places where the same type of prisoners are held together.
Concentration camps, labour camps, death camps. All different things. There was some overlap though naturally.