These are technicalities, largely irrelevant to the person on the business end of those weapons. The point is that you can find similar disturbing pictures, even right here on American soil, but the context can be very different.
The pictures in the OP are a distraction that does nothing to address the real issues of the conflict. It is simply left-wing propaganda designed to characterize Israel as a bunch of jack-booted Nazis. And it is counterproductive since everyone’s knee-jerk reaction is to defend Israel and forget about the actual causes of the conflict.
There were comparisons between certain camps in Bosnia and Nazi camps – that’s just what people do. And Jews were not the only ones in the German camps (my grandfather died on the way to German factory as a prisoner of war in 1942). Now, the pictures of Bosnia camps were actually compared side-by-side to Nazi camps and they do make decent person cringe.
But then the salvo of explanation started kicking in. In case of camps in Bosnia the case was argued between media reporters and avid Serbian and pro-Serbian propaganda foot soldiers. And it was funny how the charge against average media reporter was “perceived” as “deep seeded” bias against Serbs. The charge was brought up by Serbs (or, heavily pro-Serbs agents) whose leanings were not doubtful and sometimes bordered hate speech.
Same here. People who have no dog in this fight are being accused by people who not only have bias but never ever show a shred of decency and allow for a tiny little drop of doubt enter their reasoning (if that’s what you can call it) for Israeli actions.
I have yet to see active Palestinian side in the propaganda war. When I say Palestinians I mean “of Palestinians” not “for Palestinians”.
That’s why then, this comedic relief exchange between known agents of Israeli apologetics on the subject of human catastrophe of people in Gaza is considered “Great Debate”. Oh, wait… yours is coming too.
Maybe Palestinians do not have a blogosphere army of their own but they are doing just fine in the propaganda war. Follow that link and you will see support for Palestine and dislike for Israeli actions is substantial in the west and, I think, easily trumps those defending Israel in sheer number and volume. Pretty much the exact opposite of what you seem to think is the case.
If all you can do is attack other posters instead of simply discussing the topic, then you really need to either go to the BBQ Pit or find somewhere else to post.
There are heated emotions on both sides of the issue and I have seen you described (off board) in pretty much the same terms that you fling at others, here.
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That has to be one of the most twisted and convoluted bashings I’ve ever seen btw.
Horseshit. Anyone paying attention back then knew some bad shit was going on in that region. I remember reading reports of atrocities against the Muslim population and even seem to recall a movie from the period that was about some US pilot photographing mass graves and then being chased about because he had the damning evidence.
Are you seriously saying that similar atrocities are being perpetrated against the Palestinian’s in Gaza and the world is simply hushing it up??
People like the OP, ehe? Yeah, they don’t have any bias and are just trying to paint a more balanced picture of the situation there.
Simply put, if you haven’t seen the Palestinian’s side you haven’t been paying attention. Whether ‘of’ or ‘for’ (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean).
Well, we all can’t be as fair and balanced in our outlook as you or the OP. Some of us allow the facts to cloud our judgment. That always is a bad idea to let the facts get in the way of a good argument…
News site I read most is BBC. They constantly run articles like this or that - with actual Palestinians cited extensively talking about their point of view. Can you really say with straight face that it’s biased pro-Israel?
Newcomer, what happened in Bosnia was an atrocity. The only difference between it and the Holocaust was of scale.
IIRC, Israel sent emergency aid back in 1992 - food, medicine and medical teams, clothing. I think we also took in several dozen orphans, too.
As to the rest of what you said - people holding strong opinions on a subject tend to see their own beliefs as reasonable and moderate while those on the other side are biased and fanatic. For instance, I truly believe that** FinnAgain **is a dispassionate, even handed observer. You, I suppose, feel otherwise; you yourself probably believe that WildfireMM ** is merely stating facts. I, needless to say, do not.
The nfact of the matter is that we’re both right and we’re both wrong. Everyone is biased; everyone has an agenda, even if they’re not aware of it, and everyone sees facts through their own filters and blinders. You. Me. Them. Everybody. Everybody.
So please, stop accusing people of being biased and spouting propaganda. Unless you are willing to analyze your own beliefs first.
Yes. And even if some outlets are biased – so what? That does nothing to establish the premise of the OP – that Israel is “just like the Nazis.”
And that premise is useless too. People don’t get condemned for being “like the Nazis.” They don’t get indicted for “doing the same thing the Nazis did.” They don’t get international condemnation, or not, because “Hitler did the same thing.” Hitler did a lot of things. He built highways. The Israelis build highways. They’re just like the Nazis! So what?
Hitler killed people under certain circumstances and on a certain scale. He’s rightly condemned for it. The Israelis have killed people, under different circumstances and on a different scale. They are not being put under scrutiny for “doing exactly what Hitler did.” They’re being challenged for those specific policies.
If they’re being put under scrutiny, it’s for (allegedly) excessive killing, or indiscriminate use of force, or disregard for civilians, or ethnically-driven policies that (allegedly) screw the Palestinians.
If you kill someone and I think it’s unjustifiable, I willl spend little to no time shouting “he’s just like Charles Manson” and trying to get you to agree that from a certain angle, your photos kinda look alike.
No, I’m going to establish that you killed the dude in question, and argue for why you weren’t justified.
Why bring the Nazis into it, except (as I said) for sophomoric “irony” value and (of course) to Godwinize?
Egypt is a fucking dictatorship whose government is afraid of his own islamists. Even if the Hamas was a paragon of virtue, Egypt wouldn’t be less hostile to it.
Besides, it’s not like the Egyptian government had completely independently decided to close its borders. Both Israel and the USA insisted on Egypt doing so, and Egypt was happy to oblige. Egypt is effectively an ally of Israel in this conflict.
Your statement, conveying the idea that Egypt, acting on its own accord, had wisely decided to close its border because the Hamas is so evil, is to say the least misleading.
No doubt. I could probably cherry-pick 2 dozen pictures from any country on Earth and make an argument, on those pictures alone, that they are just like Nazis.
Egypt is a sovereign nation, and can make its own border policy. It has, in fact its decisions regarding its border have often been made independently of Israel, or even in opposition to Israeli concerns. For instance, recently after Egypt allowed the border to remain open following Hamas attacks, Israel suggested that could be the default and Egypt from then on, could be responsible for Gaza. Egypt refused.
In fact, Egypt has opened its border recently not due to Israeli requests, but Hamas’
As is a statement suggesting that it isn’t Egypt’s call and that even if the US and/or Israel were to put pressure on Egypt, the call is ultimately the Egyptian government’s.
Well…you interjected a bunch of stuff into my statement that I didn’t put in there. But essentially yeah…I think Egypt closed off it’s part of the border because of the fact that Hamas is a pretty violent group and the Egyptians didn’t want to be involved in the (inevitable) lash up. Sure, they did it for their own internal reasons too (most of which have to do with immigration issues…but those are related to how Hamas governs and what it does).
So, I don’t think I was being misleading…just not very precise or detailed in my one liner there. If you want precise and detailed then Finn would be your guy. I’m writing this stuff from an iPod touch in an airport atm so it’s lucky if my spelling is right.
One has to ask themselves WHY Egypt would, as you put it “effectively an ally of Israel in this conflict”. I disagree with your assessment that if Hamas was a peaceful group that Egypt (or Israel for that matter) would behave the same way (or to be precise in what you said ‘Even if the Hamas was a paragon of virtue, Egypt wouldn’t be less hostile to it’). What indications do you have that Egypt would do so given a peaceful Gaza being run peacefully by a fictional Hamas bent on being a good neighbor?
The point I got from it is that people will try to cover up their crimes…so we should immidiately conclude that anybody who claims not to be committing genocide should be presumed to be lying.
Including Isreal of course. And, say, the Swedes. And the Austrailians. And you and me and your dear sainted mother. All of these parties have claimed not to be committing genocide. So, becuase we have an example of a group that was comitting genocide and lied about it, clearly everyone else is lying about it also.
Another similarity is that the Nazis and the Israelis both made widespread use of a chemical agent known as DHMO. DHMO, which is used heavily as an industrial solvent, typically causes death when inhaled in concentrations over a low thresshold.
Which court are you talking about?