Keep going further down that Wikipedia article until you get to “specially denatured alcohol”. There are other denaturants that are used for ethanol used in cosmetic products.
As the article says, 31 New Yorkers died from drinking the mix during Prohibition. But I guess it makes sense that if the object of the end product is cosmetics to be rubbed on your skin (likewise, hand sanitizer) that they would avoid using methanol to denature it if methanol can be absorbed through the skin.
Wrong way around.
Highlight the text, then hit the quote ballon. That’ll bring up the quote box on its own. I suspect that when you hit Reply first the function’s responding to that, which is taken to mean “quote the whole post”; and it won’t display it as a quote unless somebody posted something else inbetween.
Looks like the US is on track for the highest number of Covid cases in a day since May 1. And trending up in many places. Things were relaxed way WAY too early.
Not looking good at all.
" Ages: People in their 20s are getting infected the most. Some experts say a big contributing factor: This group too often appears to be socializing or going out without maintaining proper physical distancing or wearing masks.
In Oregon, 19% of known cases are among people ages 20-29, 18% are 30-39, 17% are 40-49, 15% are 50-59, 10% are 60-69, 7% are 70-79, 7% are 10-19, 5% are 80 or older, and 3% are 0-9."
https://www.kezi.com/content/news/Bars-parties-played-role-in-several-new-Lane-County-cases-571433131.html?fbclid=IwAR1onqCIzZs1A-DLEaPM1T9S5StF4h3EuCTWF1AG9ieq6Yl5fWBnZ_o9_6k
“‘Part of the issue that we are identifying is that younger people and other populations don’t feel personally at risk and therefore are engaging in risky behavior.’”
No, it isn’t that. Once you highlight some text, then click on either the quote button or Reply, does the same thing either way.
I think the problem happens when you try to do a multi-quote, or if you type some of your own text into the Reply window and THEN attempt to import a quote into the Reply window: In that case, it just sticks the imported quote wherever the cursor is, and if that’s positioned wrong, then that’s what you get.
I’m sure this fantastic air purifier works absolutely miraculously, it just doesn’t sound like it because those church people, as you say, don’t understand it and don’t describe it clearly.
I think what it really does is bathe the entire room continuously in high-power ionizing radiation, which will surely destroy every bit of DNA and other protein-like molecules in the room. All the congregants will never need to worry about COVID-19 infections again.
ETA: I see flatlined, several posts above, is on the right track!
Looks like Europe is banning Americans, Russians and Brazilians. Can’t say I blame them.
This varies by state. Since mid-May I’ve been monitoring the demographics here in New Hampshire and by far the most cases are of people ages 50-59, with 15% more cases than the next highest age group: over 80; then 20-29, then 30-39, then 60-69, then 40-49, and then the fewest adult cases in the 70-79 group.
True. The article I quoted from was about Oregon.
9,355,057 total cases
479,819 dead
5,041,825 recovered
In the US:
2,424,364 total cases
123,476 dead
1,020,381 recovered
Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:
But it IS happening:
# Lawmakers protest as feds pull support from 4 Harris County [Houston] COVID testing sites
# EXCLUSIVE: Feds About To Bail On Supporting COVID Testing Sites In Texas And Other States
Wow. There are no words. (Because we’re not in the Pit).
Between this and the foreign worker visa moratorium, this has not been a week for enhancing our standing in the eyes of the world.
From the same article:
The breakdown of deaths by age: ages 30-39 (1), ages 40-49 (3), ages 50-59 (9), ages 60-69 (39), ages 70-79 (52), ages 80-plus (88).
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At least 969 of the state’s COVID-19 patients, or 14%, have been hospitalized at some point during their illness, according to the health authority.
Most – at least 712, or 73% – have been 50 or older.
I’m not saying, just kill off all of the old people. But this is a striking representation of the disparate effect on young vs old.
It is challenging to urge young people to significantly curtail activities or modify behavior because of a condition which poses them little personal risk of harm.
There are many ways to denature ethanol depending on its end use. Methanol is bad for any kind of human use so the FDA disallows it as a denaturant for sanitizer. Bitrix and sucrose octaacetate are the only two allowed. On the other hand Isopropyl alcohol is the denaturant allowed in the THC extraction industry.
We are going to be seeing a lot more of this. When hand sanitizer went into short supply everyone was scrambling for sources of Ethanol and even the FDA dropped their standards for a couple of days. I’ve seen stories on the news of distilleries using their heads to make hand sanitizer which is mostly methanol and acetone. I also have been offered ethanol sources with up to 1% gasoline, toluene, and benzene. The highest acetaldehyde I’ve seen has been 6,000 ppm and the FDA has declared anything over 50 ppm a short term cancer risk while 10-50 is considered a long term risk.
I don’t say this lightly, but…fuck. My organic chemistry is pretty rusty but I remember when Kitty Dukakis drank the isopropyl but survived. I figured people could tolerate drinking small amounts of this and that.
Perhaps you saw the episode of House.
TLDR version:
So I’m still confused. House is fiction of course but if he drank the methanol, why didn’t it kill him? And if methanol were used to denature alcohol, wouldn’t mimic what House effectively did, giving him shots of ethanol?
WRT gasoline, toluene, benzene…wow.
I’m not great at chemistry but I believe you are mostly correct. I do know the cure for methanol poisoning is ethanol since the body prefers ethanol it will release methanol to get ethanol. I’m not sure of the reasoning though.
On thing I think you’re missing is that they dropped the ethanol in the case of this Mexican firm or most of the ethanol in the case of distilleries using their heads so there isn’t any ethanol to solve the methanol problem. Also, I just learned in the last couple of weeks is that chemicals that are absorbed through the skin bypass the liver so they create a different toxicity. In wine, for example, there are commonly acetaldehydes up to 100 ppm and they are basically safe since they are processed by the liver before they get a chance to cause cancer but in hand sanitizer it gets directly absorbed into the skin and so the safe limit, long term, is only 10 ppm.
As for using methanol as a denaturant I’m not certain of any of the formulas that just allow for methanol. For instance formula #1 is a speciality denaturant for solvents that allows for 4 gallons of methanol and 1/8 oz bitrix per 100 gallons of ethanol.
Texas is in the shit now. We’ve now had like 5400 new cases in one day. A children’s hospital in Houston is having to take on adult patients. When Abbott is imploring Texans to stay home, you know it’s bad since he was so eager to reopen. We should probably go back to quarantine mode but wonder if that will happen.
Conn., NY, NJ Announce Travel Advisory Requiring Self-Quarantine of Visitors From COVID-19 Hotspots
Voluntary … for now. Shit is getting real.