Could you please shut the fuck up about how much I sleep?

[Esprix]

*Originally posted by Atrael *

… Esprix as usual, replied with aplomb and dignity.

Aw, shucks. :o

I love her to death, but it’s really not all that comfortable to have you laying all over me.

In this case, I’d say just get up. First of all, she’s inconveniencing you, and second of all, if she’s anything like me, trust that she’ll fall right back asleep - no harm done.

I have had houseguests that were late sleepers, and I’ll say that it drove me nuts. As the host, I try to ensure that my guest are comfortable, and be courteous to their needs. So I get up, and try to stay extremely quiet until they rise. However, after I’ve been up for 2 hours, I feel that I can start moving around normally, without worrying about making noise.

I think that’s fair, myself.

I think what **msmith537 ** is talking about are those roommates that require everyone around them to be quiet when they are trying to sleep later.

Fortunately, as jkusters mentioned, I don’t. In fact, very few later sleepers like me do - we realize we’re off-kilter with most folks, and we’ve learned to adapt (and frankly, if a little noise is going to wake you up, there’s little chance you’re actually able to be a late sleeper).

I think Rick’s anger was directed at a lot of the posters that seemed to be saying “Don’t talk to me in the office before I’ve had coffee” and “How rude is it of them to talk before I’ve woken up”.

We may feel it, sometimes, but that’s the result of us being awake in the morning earlier than we’d liek to sleep, which we despise - we’re cranky bitches when we wake up, but we keep it to ourselves for the most part. In practice, most of us are saying we don’t snap at people unwarrantedly if they just say good morning or are friendly. However, if you poke the animals with a stick by taunting them, especially if you know they detest it, you get what you deserve.

And if for some reason, you really can’t function until that hour and a half after you get up, then perhaps I could suggest that you get up a bit earlier, so that you’re functioning by the time you get to work.

Well if we could get up earlier, we’d be morning people, wouldn’t we?

… the rest of us in the house would then be awake at the same hour. Listening to her hit the damn snooze button over and over.

That is something I’m always concerned about, because I do need it loud to wake me up, even if it’s right by my head. No one’s complained to me yet, though, so I’m assuming it’s ok.

If you’re the type to roll over and hit the button and not remember doing it, then put the clock on the other side of the room, so you have to physically get out of bed to turn it off.

I’ve tried that, and sometimes it works, but more often then not my sleep-addled brain says, “Room… cold… must… return… to warmth… of bed…” and there I go.

And then just don’t get back in bed…

Does… not… make… sense… Are you sure you’re speaking English?

Esprix

[PunditLisa]

So what about a “normal” person who played computer games in the early evening, or in the afternoon? Is that just as despicable?

I don’t know anyone who’s said it’s despicable to play computer games. I just noted that it’s a leisurely activity as opposed to a virtuous one (such as working or taking care of a sick relative) and won’t elicit much sympathy when you go crawling into work all bleary-eyed the next day.

[OpalCat]

I’m not saying that anyone here said it was despicable. Just using a little exaggeration to ask whether society at large would view someone who played video games in the middle of the afternoon the same way they’d view someone who played them at 1am.

[Esprix]

Originally posted by PunditLisa

If you’re up all night working the night shift or partying and you come home to sleep, out of common courtesy I’d be as quiet as possible until a reasonable hour (e.g 10am or 11am). After that, you’re starting to impose on my freedom to enjoy my own house. Me being diurnal and all. So while I won’t go barging in your room (that’s rude at any hour) and demanding you get the hell out of bed, I’d expect you not to be ticked that I’m running a vacuum at noon.

Common courtesy.

Agreed on all counts. I consider 10:00 a.m. to be a reasonble hour. If I don’t come in at 2:00 a.m. and slam doors around to wake you up (hell, I start getting quiet at 10:00 p.m. when my housemates head to bed), then I’d hope you wouldn’t wake up at 6:00 a.m. and do the same. But, indeed, 10:00 a.m. to me is a reasonable time for you to be quiet if I have to be quiet before I go to bed the night before - common courtesy, trade-off, etc. After 10:00 a.m., do what you want, and if I can’t sleep through it, then I’ll deal (and frankly, it’s highly doubtful you’ll wake me up - about the only thing that does is if the dog barks, and even if she does, I usually fall right back to sleep - no worries!).

Esprix

[Esprix]

Originally posted by lieu

Esprix, can you understand any of your family’s concern?

They’re not concerned - I’ve been this way since elementary school, and it’s never been a problem. It just irrationally pisses them off, and I can’t understand why. Seriously - it’s a matter of “We’re up, so you ought to be, too, dammit!”

Doesn’t 16 freakin’ hours seem a little excessive?

Not if during the week I only got 5 or 6 a night, no. Rationally I know you can’t “catch up” on sleep, but nonetheless I hit the hay on Friday night and I do not wake up until the next afternoon. I figure my body needed it, so it took it. YMMV. It’s not like I do it every day, or even every weekend for that matter, but it would be my preference if I had a choice.

… wouldn’t you question whether some of that time could be better spent?

I think I can figure out how to best spend my own time, thank you very much. This is what I don’t understand - why do you care?

I can’t question the period during which anyone gets their sleep and everybody has the right to catch up over the weekend but I can assure you my kids will be on to other things like chores, playing outside and doing something constructive once a reasonable amount of rest has been reached.

Meh, that’s your right as a parent, but at some point you may have to just accept the fact that that’s the way they are, and no amount of pestering, or even kind cajoling will change that. Everyone’s biochemistry and biological clocks are different - c’est la vie.

I won’t, however, treat them cattily in doing so.

You’ll have happier kids when they wake up because of it, trust me!

Esprix

[Esprix]

Originally posted by Equipoise

Forget those little machines that make various babbling brook/wind howling/rainstorm sounds.

Took me months to find just the right one, and I love it, if for no other reason it ha a “white noise” setting, which sounds much like my fan.

I’m also one for having the room a bit chilled so I can snggle under covers.

Gah! I want to go home and go to bed now!

Another advantage to snooze alarms and waking up multiple times is that the short snippets of dreams that happen in-between the alarms tend to be more interesting and vivid, and I’m more likely to remember them.

Same here.

Esprix

[Esprix]

Originally posted by lieu

The discussion is not whether or not people need to sleep, it’s whether or not the stated claim he needs twice as much as anyone else is excessive.

I don’t think one night a week of more than 8 hours of sleep is going to give me a heart attack. :rolleyes:

If he’s gonna pose the question here and ask our opinions, I’m going to reply honestly. Yes Esprix, I think it’s excessive. You should go to a doctor and see if there’s something physically wrong because you’re not sleeping 8, or even 10, or even 12 hours. You’re limiting your time for activity and enjoyment to a scant half what others enjoy. I’ve heard you say in other threads “I want my 5 minutes back” when you read a worthless OP. What about 8 frikkin hours?

Not only are you being pedantic, but you’re proving the point I made in the OP. Why do you feel the need to berate me for my sleeping habits? Go fuck yourself. (In general I wouldn’t say this to you, lieu, 'cause I like you bunches, but Jesus, you’re being exactly the kind of prick I’m complaining about in the first place.)

Where do you get off saying heartfelt advice generates from a selfish desire? I’d like to see Esprix get more out of the day for his own good, got it?

And I’d like to see you stop telling me how I can best get “more out of the day,” when I am perfectly happy with the way things are. Keep your “heartfelt advice” to yourself, please, because it’s coming off as mean and controlling and superior.

Esprix

[Esprix]

*Originally posted by Atrael *

In the office? or sharing a room with someone? Be professional and courteous. That’s all anyone is asking. Not “Don’t talk to me until I’ve spoken to you”. That’s a bit ridiculous.

Thankfully, whenever I’ve comisserated with fellow non-morning people, none of us are like that to our co-workers, and the few that are, even we tell them they’re jerks - you can’t be rude to your co-workers, but we all will admit it would be nice and appreciated if our morning people co-workers would be considerate of our non-morning quirks. I promise I’ll file your paperwork that much faster 'cause you’re nice to me.

Esprix

[Esprix]

*Originally posted by OpalCat *

So what about a “normal” person who played computer games in the early evening, or in the afternoon? Is that just as despicable?

Well, no, because we’re working on “normal” time - can’t you see?

:rolleyes:

I get more done after dinner until about 1:00 a.m. on a weeknight, and even later on a weekend, then I could EVER get done before noon on any given day. It’s the most productive time of the day for me - who cares why? Why does it bother other people so much? Leave me alone! GAAAAH!

Esprix

[Esprix]

And just to add in to the video games comments, why punish us by being pricks just because we enjoy our recreation (as “non-virtuous” as that is :rolleyes: ) at different hours than you do? Because I stay up late playing video games, that gives you the right to bitch, make noise, and mock me? Fuck you. I’ll be sure to do the same when you go to bed earlier than I do - “C’mon, wussies! Goin’ to bed? PANSIES! Tough it out and stay up late! Here, have some coffee and pick up that PS2 controller - I’m gonna KICK YOUR ASS at this game. No? Going to bed anyway? Aw, does widdums need his widdle beauty sleep? I guess I win by default then. WOO HOO! I’m gonna crank up the stereo now and keep you losers awake all night!”

Seriously, this is what it feels like for us to wake up and have everyone around us make comments, or deliberately make noise to wake us up. It’s just fucking annoying.

Esprix

[Esprix]

We should definitely be deliniating this conversation between WORK and HOME.

Esprix

[lieu]

Don’t pose the question in yet another self absorbed thread if you’re gonna bitch about opinions you don’t like. You asked.

I couldn’t give any less of a crap how long you sleep. I certainly can though understand how it would be a real nuisance to family members or anyone having to tip toe around someone sleeping until the afternoon or having to be mute until you’ve had your coffee.

If my brother acted that way I’d lovingly knock some sense into his fool head. YOMV.

[Esprix]

Originally posted by lieu

Don’t pose the question in yet another self absorbed thread if you’re gonna bitch about opinions you don’t like. You asked.

No, actually, I didn’t specifically ask for opinions - I was bitching (about people like you, actually). But thanks for sharing anyway.

I couldn’t give any less of a crap how long you sleep.

Then shut up. What’s your beef?

I certainly can though understand how it would be a real nuisance to family members or anyone having to tip toe around someone sleeping until the afternoon or having to be mute until you’ve had your coffee.

OK, one more time, for emphasis: I have never asked anyone to change their habits on my behalf, nor have I ever demanded no one talk to me.

Now I really do mean it - go fuck yourself.

Esprix

[PunditLisa]

And just to add in to the video games comments, why punish us by being pricks just because we enjoy our recreation (as “non-virtuous” as that is) at different hours than you do?

I don’t think it has anything to do about what time it is. People equate playing computer games (and sleeping, I suppose) with laziness, for whatever reason. My husband used to constantly give me grief when I started playing DonkeyKong 64 and I played during “normal” hours (usually 8-10pm). Every time he came in to find me playing it, it, he’d make some under-the-breath-but-loud-enough-for-me-to-hear comment. I ignored him at first because I didn’t really give a rat’s ass if he approved. However, after the 100th such comment I decided to teach him a lesson. Every time I’d walk in a room and he had football on, I’d say, “Are you watching football again? How many hours have you been watching that?” or “Do you think you might be addicted to that football game?”

It shut him up, but I could tell it still bothered him. Don’t really know why, because he’s never said anything about me reading all night or even watching t.v. all night. For some reason, that computer game bugged the shit out of him.

[Esprix]

Similarly, Pundit, when my sleeping habits affect no one but myself, some people feel compelled to (a) allow it to bug them, and (b) tell me about it in no uncertain terms.

Hence the OP.

Esprix

[MeanOldLady]

I have this same problem. Yes, I like to go to bed slightly before daybreak. Yes, I roll out of bed in the middle of the afternoon. Yes, I’m cranky unless I get my standard 12. No, I don’t want to function like a normal person. No, I’m not interested in changing my sleeping patterns, actually. Yes, I am just getting out of the shower and having breakfast at 6:30 in the evening. So?

[CanvasShoes]

Originally posted by Atrael *
Do you see the difference between what I said, and what you said? I* said that I thought the reason msmith537 was as upset as they were was because they had probably had roommates that did expect that kind of silence around them, extending late in the day. I didn’t say that you expected that treatment, but that those of us that have been around someone like that tend to get upset about it.

But you are going WAY outside the realm of the OP’s main point!

Only a few of the posters that were in support of the “sleep when they want to sleep” said, or inferred in any way that they expected others to change their ways, all that most (some 99%) of the posters in support of sleeping on their own timeframes said was that they want to have the right to do it without being harrassed. mrssmith came all unglued at the night owls as if WE had been the very roommates who made her mad.

When in fact none of us claimed the rights that her former roomies from hell had claimed.

Easy, you brought it on yourself. Hey, I know what it’s like to stay up playing a game till 3am. Done it several times…and if the next day I want to sleep in, that’s fine…but I don’t get upset at my wife if she gets up and starts cleaning, and wakes me up. I made the decision to stay up late, of my own volition, nobody forced me. So I have to deal with the consequences of that decision. Even if it means not sleeping as late as I might like.

No, I was asking you if they DON’T say anything or ask for special treatment. What you answered here was if they do.

CanvasShoes what you need to realize is that we’re talking about different types of people but on the same topic. Most of the “late sleepers” are those that just happen to stay up late, and get up late, but don’t expect the world to come to a stop because they do. But there have been a few that have made comments like:

note, not singling anyone out, just grabbed quotes from where I found them.

Those are the types of comments that lead us ‘morning people’ to feel that there is some special type of way that you generic you feel you should be treated. Which is just not the case. In your own home, fine…whatever. In the office? or sharing a room with someone? Be professional and courteous. That’s all anyone is asking. Not “Don’t talk to me until I’ve spoken to you”. That’s a bit ridiculous. **

Yes, I note that you didn’t “single anyone out”. But the two quotes above mine were really the only two in the entire thread. And my answer to “The wrong girl”? Was an answer to a question she had asked, NOT a blanket answer for all late risers.

She wanted to know what to do about the people in HER office who were quiet in the morning, and in her words “made an awkward silence”.

My “sweetie, just don’t talk” was not an order to her or to morning people. It was merely an answer to her specific situation.

She said that she felt uncomfortable and awkward when certain “night owls” in her office didn’t talk or respond. I tried to let her know that the people that she was worried about (what they were thinking etc), just because they were glazed and quiet, were not thinking awful thoughts about her as she seemed to fear. And that her best bet was to simply not talk to them, that they weren’t likely to notice. Nowhere in that explanation was there an “or else we’ll snarl and snap at you etc”. Period.

[CanvasShoes]

*Originally posted by PunditLisa *
**Because work is considered virtuous. Playing computer games is not. **

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Trying to figure out if you are being facetious or are serious.

I’m betting on facetious, if so, lol!

[CanvasShoes]

*Originally posted by lieu *
**Don’t pose the question in yet another self absorbed thread if you’re gonna bitch about opinions you don’t like. You asked.

I couldn’t give any less of a crap how long you sleep. I certainly can though understand how it would be a real nuisance to family members or anyone having to tip toe around someone sleeping until the afternoon or having to be mute until you’ve had your coffee.

If my brother acted that way I’d lovingly knock some sense into his fool head. YOMV. **

The thing is, NONE of us have demanded, requested, or pleaded for the above-mentioned “tiptoeing around” either in part or in full. Most of we “coffin folks” are well aware that we’re in the minority and use tinfoil on the windows, earplugs and whatever is necessary.

The rare times we do “snap” at someone is when that someone has not respected our boundaries (i.e., followed us around yapping, trying to force us to answer them and is insisting that we be JUST LIKE THEM at exactly the SAME HOUR AS THEM) for long enough to warrant a firmly spoken rebuke such as, “PLEASE!!!, could I just have a few moments here to collect my thoughts”?

Also, most of us who’ve answered this thread on the part of the “owls” have let all you morning folks know, many many times that it is NOT “until noon,” or an hour and half, or some ridiculously over exaggerated amount of time that it takes us to thoroughly “come to” once we’ve reached the office, but in most cases 10-30 minutes.

But despite the fact that all of us night owls have said that we politely at least nod back or even murmur a greeting, those of you who still insist that we should “sleep just like you do, and wake just when you do” are vastly overexaggerating how we act.