:dubious:
And how long have you been waiting to include that in a post?
I find that offensive.
No. Seriously.
FTM’s are NOT men who feel like women. They are NOT men who want to be women. They are women.
This is the problem I have with the ‘lesbian in a man’s body’ joke. The life of a transgendered person is filled with enough suffering as it is. If that person is gay things are worse still. Many shrinks will not diagnose a patient as gender disphoric if they express an attraction to the members of the gender they identify as. Without that diagnosis, you can’t get hormone therapy or surgery. But transexual lesbians and transexual gay men do exist.
Yes, that's a small group. But, the amount of suffering they go through is tremendous. Then, their lives are turned into jokes on t-shirts.
We actually have a Doper who was born a lesbian trapped in a man’s body.
I wonder how she feels about all this.SciFiSam and Tusculan - thanks for the responses. I’m glad to find that not everyone wants to dismember me!
Thats because you ARE a one trick pony.
You remind me of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. They get amped up so often over so many different things that they have become a parody of themselves and no one takes them seriously anymore. You bitch about so much shit and criticise everyone (who isn’t gay) about every little thing they say that you have become a fucking joke. I think you did this shit to me a long while back.
Once you have been on this board for a while you start to gloss over any pit threads started by Esprix because they all sound the same
“blah blah blah offensive to gays blah blah blah offensive to lesbians blah blah blah I am glad I am not straight blah blah blah your an asshole blah blah blah…”
Just shut up already. Christ…
And on my way out the door, what the fuck is this gem supposed ot mean?
What? The more lesbian friends you have the less of a man you will be? What the hell are you saying here? You sound like those guys who make a point of telling people that they have black/gay/lesbian friends to gain street cred.
Blame Woody Allen. He coined (or at least widely published) that quip (about bisexuals) some 30+ years back.
And I’m sure some wit quipped “lesbian trapped in a man’s body.” I don’t see anyone giving everyone since THEN a pass, either.
Either way, I would like to just say “Thanks!” to Esprix and the other queer-boys for sticking up for the girls on this one 
Mwah!
FTR, I don’t find the comment specifically offensive, just sad, and depressing and angering and pathetic and just plain not funny.
Why? Cos I’ve heard it a hundred time, and gotten shit when I didn’t say yeah, and when I didn’t laugh it up when they backtracked. It’s not funny cos on the rare occasions when I go to a queer club cos I want to have a dance with my wife, I get the same damned thing, I have been offered fucking money to join in, or even “just watch” on numerous occasions. That’s why its not funny. You guys have the whole fucking world, my sex-life has to be all about you too?
I’m a little curious how a thinking person could suggest that all straight men are guilty of this or by extension that gay men have never said anything offensive to others.
I agree that the LIAMB comments are juvenile and boorish but a shotgun backlash approach is rarely right on target.
Fighting an offensive comment by suggesting all straight men are ignorant fucks? Your methods likely could use a bit of refinement.
Doc, your point is a completely valid one. But I suspect strongly that Apos was not being offensive, but dealing with “objective” vs. “subjective” in what he said.
To paraphrase Eve’s “coming out” post, “I try to be a lady. But I was brought up to be a gentleman.”
Quite simply, whatever the interior perception of a MTF transsexual might be, and I in no way am casting aspersions on their interior identity, their physical appearance prior to presenting as a woman is that of a male. And the obnoxious remark that Esprix took umbrage at to start this thread is for them a description of reality – they are, by their own self-perceptions, women (straight, bi, or Lesbian) who are literally “trapped in a man’s body.”
KellyM would have more class than to say something of this sort – but if she did, it would not be a joke but a literal truth about how she perceives herself. And, though I gather that Eve is a straight woman in terms of her sexuality, with the relevant modification it would have been the truth for her as well.
Which is, of course, in no way to defend the typical idjit who utters this pseudo-witticism. Perhaps the funniest comeback I’ve ever seen to the remark was a young man I knew some years ago, who was a good-hearted person in a tough, street-smart environment, and whose sister was a Lesbian. When somebody came off with that line, he pulled out the hunting knife that he was carrying, and commented that he’d be quite willing to assist the guy who claimed to be a Lesbian trapped in a man’s body, by performing the first part of the gender reassignment surgery then and there. For some strange reason the guy quickly declined the offer!
Coldfire is God.
I’ve put off coming in here for a while, but now that I have seen a little more of the arguments, I have a question.
Nearly all the gays/lesbians here have said they have heard the lame jokes a gazillion times and don’t find them funny. How do you react when you hear these things in real life? Do you explode on the offender or roll your eyes and pretend they don’t exist? If you really have heard all this so many times, I find it hard to believe you would still have the energy to have a fit and berate every single person you ran into and said some of this crap.
The people who have said the lame jokes here on the boards are obviously either immature, or trolls, and so don’t deserve the attention they are now getting. Why not just roll your eyes (not in a post and ignore them? Is it really worth this much effort when it is a vast minority of fools who speak to and about gays/lesbians the way that has been offending you?
I have different reactions. Sometimes I just ignore it, if it’s someone I barely know. I always think less of the person. If it’s someone I like otherwise, I’ll talk to them about it, and I’ve had friends stop saying things like that once they realize it’s offensive.
I don’t spend time talking on the net with anyone who talks like this, because unlike real life, on the net there’s no need to associate with people I find offensive.
Vast minority? Not all the time, IRL. In fact, pretty damn rarely when I’m not just with my circle of friends. Most people think like this. And that’s sad. If we can fight a little ignorance, all the better. It’s a lot safer to ‘rant’ here than in real life, where gaybashing isn’t restricted to just words.
Polycarp, you’ve just given me a WTF moment. Normally anything you post just leaves me blinking and thinking “I wish I’d said that”, but not this time. In what way is the level of violence offered appropriate to the supposed offence?
Hey, I’d have “quickly declined” too. Unless I really fancied my chances at overpowering the sick fuck and then beating seven kinds of shit out of him as an urgent warning to never, never, never try to make his point with a sharp instrument again.
YMMV.
How come I never get picked to be on the team to advance our Nefarious Schemes? I feel like I’m back in grade school waiting to get picked for the dodgeball team.
grumblemutterbitchwhineI’mwaygayerandmorepissedoffthanEsprixmuttergrumblekillyouallwhinebitchmoan
My, my, my … whatever will you do with all those toasters!!! 
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t consider a lame joke that basically translates to “I admire your sexuality and fantasize about joining in”, or “I’m a dumb horny male” to be on the top of the offensiveness hit parade. YMMobviouslyV.
Way to fight gender stereotypes!
OK, Esprix, I see your point. It is offensive to suggest that a person of a particular orientation might want to experience sex of the opposite orientation. The mere mention of it, even in lame jest, is a pittable offense. Gotcha, Consider me enlightened.
May I ask how you reconcile this with a statement that you made a few months ago, when you said – in all seriousness – that a particular straight male getting forcibly anally raped would do him “a world of good”?
“Esprix decorum” has surely got to be pun of the year. I echo **Ethilrist[/] in wondering how long that one’s been on the back burner.
pan
THE VERY NEXT LINE
I’d comment, but the irony is too thick in here.
Color me in the same camp with lieu and Hamlet.
I fail to see how making sweeping generalizations about a segment of society based on a single person is any better than making sweeping generalizations about a segment of society based on a single person.
No, Coldfire is God trapped in a man’s body.
[sub]Ow, stop throwing things at me![/sub]