Why doesn’t someone explain the game rules to Meeko?
Why do people even take his plan seriously? I guess everyone tired of explaining stuff by now? Or are scum of course, though I think killing Meeko is a pro-town move :p.
I don’t care if he’s confirmed Town, killing Meeko would be a terrible play for the Blackhearts.
I wonder how long he would have lived if he didn’t have a confirmable role?
Honestly, even being a mason with him, if Id had a Vig power, I would have used it on him.
The town would have killed him on Day 2 had special_ed not claimed for him.
At this point peeker might be the best kill for the blackhearts (assuming he isn’t one); some of his latest comments suggest that he has a power role. There’s also meeko’s really odd comment about being protected on night 2, after i was dead. If there is a doctor, they will protect meeko, so it might make sense to target someone else even if they would want to play by the book.
Man, how do y’all make so much sense of peeker’s posts? Is it just practice? I find him less coherent than Meeko. I mean, I understand from what everybody else is saying about what Meeko is doing wrong, but I can at least follow what he is saying. (Except that vote for Mahaloth bit. If he gets NKed, he [Meeko] has some ‘splainin’ to do in here.)
So, if you were a (the only remaining?) sinner in this game, would you openly claim at Dawn?
(For that matter, would it benefit blackhearts to claim to be sinners?)
Hell no to the first: The town has bigger problems than sinners tomorrow, but the blackhearts would get to them in a very few nights (I can’t imagine that there are many town power roles left). The sinners can’t expose their last (or their last one of two) recruiter to the blackhearts.
Blackhearts claiming to be sinners…now that would be interesting. I wouldn’t: the sinner would know that I was lying.
OK, so Meeko claimed to have guessed that I was the politician, and apparently the Blackhearts figured it out, too. What did I do to screw up?
Meanwhile, in case anyone else is wondering about my choices:
Night 1, I was mostly just working on hunches, and paul1 seemed to be overreacting a bit much. I figured he’d be the most unpredictable vote, so I bought his.
Day 2, I had paul1 vote for the same person I did, for the same reasons. I didn’t exactly trust paul1, but his claim was confirmable, so I figured it was best to let him do so. From my point of view, it was pretty much luck that Pinkies turned out to be a Sinner; I didn’t have much read on him beyond him being a lurker.
Night 2, I (along with many others) had noticed some anti-Town patterns in Mahaloth’s votes, and figured I’d nip that in the bud by buying his vote. I quickly realized that was a mistake, since it meant we couldn’t gather any more evidence against (or for) him on that score.
Day 3, the vote wasn’t close enough to sway, so I left Mahaloth’s vote on the most obvious lynch (whom I wasn’t voting for), to try to break any pattern that would link my votes to the politician’s (I didn’t want to give myself away to Scum).
Night 3, remembering my mistake with Mahaloth, I decided to buy the vote of someone who wouldn’t be voting anyway, so as to not deprive Town of any more information. Of course, that didn’t work out, as paul3 ended up subbing in.
Day 4, I again cast my bought vote for the same reasons as my own. I was considering switching both to Mahaloth (of whom I’m still suspicious), but I figured that would be too obvious, if both me and the bought vote made the same change at the same time.
Night 4, I figured we’re getting close enough to endgame that denying a Blackheart vote was worth more than the information loss, so I targeted my #1 suspicion (whom I will not name here, for the sake of preventing spoilers).
[del]pede, will that person be able to cast a vote at all toDay?[/del]
Never mind, I see that that’s now in the open in the main thread.
I also had a pardon power, that I could use to stop a lynch, but it never got to a situation where I deemed that it would be pro-Town to use it. I was pretty convinced that Angel/paul2 was now on our side, but it’s pretty hard to forgive an admitted lie.
Meanwhile, does anyone else suspect that paul1 (the Traveling Preacher version) was deliberately trying to get recruited? Him on the side of the Sinners would have made them pretty much a shoo-in.
I don’t know how Meeko figured it out (or if even really did), but the Blackhearts figured it out because you kept designating the same person you were voting for. All they did was look at who the bought vote was being placed on, and cross-reference that with the people who were also voting for that same person.
And I guess it was obvious to them, too, that the second one didn’t matter.
How is one supposed to use that power effectively without giving it away?
I’m not sure why an admitted lie was the end of the world; under the circumstances it was pretty clear that angel was clean at the end. the town was silly there.
Paul’s power would have been a great bonus to the sinners, but he claimed to be immune to the seed of sin (though that didn’t seem to be in his PM IIRC). Certainly claiming to be immune, even falsely, isn’t part of angling for recruitment.
Been there,done that.
Subbed in for someone late one Night, was killed - the mod didn’t even bother sending me a PM.
Subbed in again halfway through next Day, got killed by the Mafia - again.
Subbed in halfway through Day 4, survived to Night 5, killed a third time.
OK, AllWalker was clever there, but not quite clever enough. I’m guessing that he’s using a magician’s out, that he hid other messages saying other things, but just didn’t point them out, since they turned out to be false. That, or he was just planning on not revealing the messages, if they didn’t pan out.
What he failed to do, however, was to make sure that his alibi was consistent with peeker’s. peeker’s claimed power is that, if he joins the Sinners and is subsequently investigated, he’ll show up as Town. But AllWalker, presumably the only investigator, said that he only learns what someone started out as, anyway. If that was the way investigation worked in this game, then peeker’s power would be meaningless. So if peeker is telling the truth, then AllWalker must be lying Scum, since his claimed powers don’t match with peeker’s. But if peeker is lying, then AllWalker must also be lying Scum, since he identified peeker as Town.
Likewise, peeker must also be Scum, since his claim to have been protected is inconsistent with Meeko’s claim. The problem, though, is knowing which Scum faction they are, since a lynch of a Sinner will probably lose the Town the game at this point.
Meanwhile, does anyone have any clue what game Meeko is playing? He successfully received the secret messages I was giving him, which is pretty darned impressive, given that I didn’t know I was sending him secret messages. And when I remind him to get his post in before Dawn, he instead goes and posts a hidden message that just says “pay attention to the game”, and waits until after Dawn to post the claim list? And then, thinks someone else is scummy, for encouraging him to post the claim list like I was telling him to? He’s just not making any sense whatsoever.
At this point i would vote for meeko. He’s town, but I don’t care. breadcrumbing my ass, there is no reason for him to still be talking in code. I can’t make sense of his goodbye post, even after he supposedly explained it. More importantly, why didn’t he post a claim order list before dawn? He had one job going into today, and he blew it.
Re: Allwalker -
If he’s town, he’s playing terribly. A cop claim should include a full list of investigations, night-target-reason-outcome. Someone should be demanding this from him. At the moment I don’t trust him. Also, saying that somewhere in the 30 pages of thread are the results of his investigations is just plain rude.
Re: Rysto -
The “slight healing feeling” bit is telling. if that’s really in all the PMs then I’d trust him. Having said that…what’s his name? What are his strengths and limits? Also: if he was healed pre his breadcrumb he’d know the message. too lazy to check myself
Also, where are the other cop and doctor claims? They should exist unless unless at least one of the A and R has their role but is scum aligned.
Peeker:
Didn’t he say there was another half to his role PM? Does he have any actual powers?
OK, Meeko, I know that you’ll read this eventually…
No, that was not breadcrumbing. If you suspected that I was the politician, you should have known that I wasn’t breadcrumbing, because a politician can’t breadcrumb. Nor, for that matter, can the last remaining Mason. Breadcrumbing is what you do when you have special information you want to share that won’t become apparent until after your role is known. The only secret information I had was the fact that I was the politician, and I don’t need to say anything to make that apparent after my death. And you didn’t have any special information at all! If a Mason wants to say something, he just says it.
And the post that I started with the word “yes” wasn’t answering the question “Are you playing games with me?”, it was answering the question I quoted in the post. You know, the one you completely ignored in the very next post? Aaarrrggghhh!!!
Unless peeker is Alpha (either Sinner or Blackheart) and always detects as town no matter what. Than peeker could by lying and Allwalker could be telling the truth.
Did I ever apologize to you for that? I was pushing hard for your death each time. I couldn’t resist, I thought it was too freaking funny that you kept dying the moment you joined the game.
Didn’t Paul mk. 1 also have an investigative power in his arsenal? (I don’t remember exactly, and don’t feel like sifting through the thread to find it).
It occurs to me that if AllWalker IS scum & lying (and if there are 4 blackhearts), the game is within a coinflip of being over anyway, even if Town & Sinner pick a Blackheart to focus on: Rysto can’t vote, so if the blackhearts all vote for a townie they’ll tie 4-4.
Yeah, I’m worried about that. It’s especially problematic given that Allwaker’s pm lacks the usual “You are Town” ending and he still hasn’t posted his full list of investigations.
Doctor symmetry question:
Me: Anti-sinner, anti-BH
Paul: Anti-sinner
R’s claim: anti-BH, can self protect
There is a degree of coherence here. Importantly, however, there is really likely to be a pro-town cop in this game, and he hasn’t died yet. If there is no competing cop claim, we have to trust allwalker.
Funny conclusion: If you’re torn between allwalker and rystro it would almost make sense to vote for another player altogether, there are a few confirmed innocents and enough scum that you’re more than 50% likely to hit one by chance (assuming 4 bh). Maybe i should still be on Mah. 