anybody wanna bet that dale lives with his mom, cant have any part of his dinner touching any other part of his dinner, wears glasses with adhesive tape around the bridge, and spends a great deal of time cutting articles out of the paper?
Well it’s neither. But bear in mind, this is a thread that was started to flame me. If I insult people as a counter-attack to their flames, how am I being condescending? If you are waiting for me to kiss people’s asses for hurling insults at me, you’d better find a comfortable place to sit.
Or did Dale just do a full stop 180 degree turnaround?
What a fucking loser… hasn’t even the courage to stand behind his post/opinion.
barstow…
Andros starts a thread, you claim his threads suck, then you berate him for not starting more threads?
When one your posts has 1/1000th the information or entertainment value of an inert clipping from andros’ left pinky toenail, give me a call. I’ll see if I can get you on Leno - he’s been looking a bit desparate these last few years.
Dale - does spinning that fast cause dizziness?
Or does dizziness make it appear to you that I’m spinning?
One more time for clarity. Here’s what sounds like a contradiction, but isn’t:
[condensed version]
Our culture is blurring the lines of gender roles, and this is good since it enhances our freedoms and lifestyle choices. But we should hope that there are enough variations among people that we don’t all fall into the middle of the spectrum. Men should span the whole spectrum, and women should as well. We need some ultra-masculine and some ultra-feminine people in the world just to keep a little flavor in the soup. Perhaps the soup is just getting a little bland since the middle of the spectrum is getting crowded. Masculinity and femininity can both be good things, even if they aren’t always defined as such.
[/condensed version]
Good lord, do I need to come in here and start bashing heads? HUH?
Esprix
hides under the table
crawls under with Poet
Hey big boy want a cookie and a tomato… I got a couple left from waiting for Esprix to take dalovindj to the cleaners… Oh Esprix I brought bleach and fabric softner as well 
Esprix, thanks for the offer but I think we have things under control.
With Dale beating himself up do you really think he needs any help from anyone?
Venoma - Geez, I’m flattered. Hell, I’d like to clone me especially if the clone came with better knees, was a little bit taller, and had more hair. 
If you are able to understand your own writing, then I think it passed that test.
Start making a point and sticking to it, and we might not need to read it twice.
You haven’t even clarified what you consider masculine yet, other than shooting things, farting, chugging beer with guys named Bubba and being homophobic. That doesn’t sound like much fun, nor does it seem an admirable goal.
Huh? If someone thinks those traits are masculine, we’re not discriminating against masculinity, we’re discriminating against cruel, intolerant assholes.
After reading through all of Dale’s posts, I’m starting to get the impression that he had some life-experience that brought this on. My guess: Dale “accidentally” went into a gay bar and was seen by someone he knew. He then started mouthing off homophobic rhetoric to save face, and proceeded to have the crap beat out of him by the other patrons. How close am I Dale?
<Impersonating Dale voice>
If you have a problem with any of the issues I brought up, it’s because you aren’t bright enough to understand them. Oh, and everything you say will also prove all of the points I just made.
</Impersonating Dale voice>
but I believe that I shall henceforth undertake an automatic editing process when viewing Dale the two-headed weasel’s posts. It should save me considerable time.
Well, you’re ignoring that our “culture” is not a homogenous entity, but you’ve managed to maintain a coherent thought for an entire sentence. Congratulations.
Why? What’s wrong with being a Plain-Jane/Average-Joe if that’s who you are? Certainly there will always be variations (hint: Bell curve), but what is so terrible about people “falling into the middle”?
And they do.
“Need”? We “need” people to be themselves.
So you’re saying that if a person doesn’t have an “extreme” appearance, they’re “bland”?
Talk about a vague statement.
<To everyone but Dale>
::makes "tsk"ing noises and shakes head sadly.::
Shame, shame, shame.
Read this guy’s posts.
He’s clearly aroused by macho/leather guys, but is scared to admit his orientation. We got a real repressed case here and I think it’s unkind not to help him. His entire leitmotif is to describe in loving, near-erotic detail the nuances of the man who makes Dale swoon:
“Ogre” from “Revenge of the Nerds” is his dream-guy.
C’mon. Look at the phallic imagry: “six gun”, “nails”.It’s clear that Dale has feelings for the Village People that make him…uncomfortable. He sits around and wanks off to Steve Reeves and John Wayne movies and then feels dirty about it.
Until he learns to accept his feelings as natural and normal and healthy, I think we’re going to get this kind of self-hatred:
Where’s the sensitivity and kindness I’ve seen so much on the SDMB?
He needs help not scorn.
This is a guy who is so disturbed by his sexuality that he has to steal software as an excuse for his behavior so he can see pop-up ads for more outre behaviors in a blameless way
And that’s the only way he’s psychologically capable of “allowing” himself to indulge his needs.
He needs understanding, not flaming.
For shame.
</to everyone but Dale>
Dale,
All I can say is that you’d be a lot happier if you came to understand that no-one here will scorn you for your feelings. It’s ok to be attracted to men. What’s not ok is putting down the men who don’t fit your fantasies. There’s a whole, wide spectrum from “twinks”* and drag-queens on one end to leather guys and bears on the other. There’s even overlap. Diversity is good! C’mon man. You’re not alone. Get some help and you’ll feel better about yourself.
Fenris
- in “quotes” because I’m still not sure if the word is an insult or not. It’s not intended as one.
Just because people do not agree with you does not mean that they dont understand what you are trying to say.
You are worried that people who you regard as being “Masculine” are being isolated as ignorant and bigots. That only these types can be “Heroes” and that women and “longhairs” should stay at home, and be thankful for the “heroes” that they can’t be.
I hereby invite you to sit on my white picket fence.
Culture is molding people into being a Plain Jane/Average Joe. That’s where we have a problem. It’s not a bell curve, itspikes in the middle and is flat on both ends (a tent shaped curve?). The problem is that people express maculinity in different ways. Some people are under the impression that a Harley makes them a man, others think a pair of cowboy boots, others take up hunting, others resort to bullying, etc. etc. As a result, it’s frowned upon to become masculine because it has a negative connotation. The hunter or the bully are looked at as mean people (one is), the Harley guy and the guy with cowboy boots is labeled as gay just because of their self-expression, as if they are “covering something up.” I blame Sigmund (why are people so damn sexual?) Freud. People always try to tack on something sexual to a person’s personality traits.
[annoying mocking voice]
He must be gay because he wears leather.
He must be gay because he’s picking on gays and therefore must be struggling with his own sexual attraction towards other men.
[/annoying mocking voice]
Oh please. :rolleyes: And that’s not all. If a guy is a bodybuilder or involved in another aggressive sport, he is often lumped in with the abusive crowd. “That guy likes violence, so he must be abusive.” Just knock it off.
Perhaps an example will illustrate my point. I was at the movies with my girlfriend when the movie had a very fake explosion. I laughed at the poor quality of effects and she immediately “scolded” me for laughing at a scene where (fictional) “people” died. See? People are being “corrected” (no she didn’t change me, but she annoyed me) for expressing themselves. This same thing is happening to masculinity.
It’s the “no one wants to drive a nice car because that means you have a small dick” effect. There are men who are assholes that give the word “masculinity” a bad reputation. As a result, men who express masculinity are discriminated against because they are labeled as over-aggressive, homophobic, or homosexual. So there is a cultural pressure to fall into the middle of the spectrum.
You could argue that there is a bell curve, but all I’m saying is that it’s a lot more steep than it probably should be.
(P.S. -To those men who think of a nail as a phallic symbol, you should see a psychiatrist and a physician).
Uh…a phallic symbol is an object that represents a penis: a train, long, hard goes through tunnels. Or a nail, long, hard, gets “pounded” into things. Just like your peni…
oh…
Would it have been more understandable if I used “overcooked strand of macaroni” as a phallic symbol you could relate to?
dale, honey, sweetcakes, you are wicked overmatched here. why dont you quit while youre behind, have your mom fix you some nice fish sticks, and go cut some more articles out of the weekly world news? mouthbreather.
:rolleyes:
Oh puulleeeeze!
Men who express masculinity, are not labeled as over-aggressve, homophobic or anything else, unless they show that they are.
Being masculine, or a Man’s Man, does not automatically label them as homophobic, over-aggressive, abusive or anything else.
Dale the Bold, makes the baby Jesus cry.