Anaamika: The hell of it is, in order to see the tag while you were still pulled over, you would have had to get out of your car and walk past the cop, after first telling him you didn’t take his word for it. In other words, defy authority.
rogerbox: I was going to tell the anecdote about my mom and the wastebasket, but forget it. It’s what Hampshire said: these are people who don’t like their lives.
Good on you. I know it’s not my place to approve/disapprove of your conclusions here but it’s really nice to see someone who grew up in an abusive home really ‘get’ it. I’ve known a lot of people who can never get past the details to see this basic truth.
Anyone else notice that Lynn has been strangely silent and yet suddenly up pops a mythical caballo blanco to the defense? I smell feet, did someone take off their shoes?
Point taken, Suil, but the poster in question was trying to make an interesting and debatable point - she was basically warning against me being too hard on myself if I ever lost my temper on my future children. The remarks were on that borderline between trying to be compassionate toward overwhelmed parents and defending incidents of physical abuse as somehow inevitable. So in my mind, it’s relevant and like dejá vu all over again.
I don’t assume Lynn is a child abuser. I assume that she made a statement that borders very much on victim-blaming. I find that personally distressing. As for the rest, I’m not really into character attacks.
If anything, he’d have done the exact opposite.
What gets me is that her idea of an “out of control teenager” is one who illegally downloads music and video games. She didn’t come home reeking of booze and pot, she’s not selling drugs, or get pregnant by a thirty-year old. She downloaded some crap from Kazaa*. That’s it. I shudder to think what it was like growing up with Lynn as a mother, especially when she said, “fortunately, my daughter was obedient”, or whatever.
Hell, even people on Free fucking Republic were condemning it.
My dad has one hell of a temper, and he never beat the shit out of me, even when I was a mouthy little bitch. (Which trust me, I was.) I got a few slaps in the face once when I had a major tempor tantrum to the point I was making myself sick. It was more of a “snap out of it!” type of thing, than a punishment.
*She pretty much punished herself there anyone. Kazaa is loaded with malware. She’d be better off using Limewire or Frostwire. Uh, not that I know anything about that or anything.
Seriously, an out-of-control teen DOWNLOADING COMPUTER STUFF. Oh, the humanity. We must beat the devil out of her!
Such behavior is so much more easily handled by removing the computer.
I don’t give a damn if she’s killing kittens (well, I do, but…). Beating a child like that isn’t for correction, it’s for humiliation, torture, and retribution. Which takes it out of the realm of discipline and into the realm of abuse.
Beating a child like that for ATTACKING YOU isn’t even appropriate. In that case, you call the cops on the kid who’s attacking you.
We were well-behaved, had good manners, good grades, knew what fork to use at what time, etc.
The only time I was ‘troubled’ was when I disagreed with my dad’s conservatism or when I pierced my ears and went through the pre-teen years. They had split custody. Still, we behaved, kept everything spotless, did our chores, smiled pretty at dinner parties.
I wouldn’t have dreamed of not doing something they asked me to or lying or sneaking out or any of the things I see kids do.
I believe FoieGrasIsEvil is probably asking about children in general, who were supposedly brought up under widespread abusive situations that you call normal, and not your personal experiences, as fascinating as you may think that they are.
For your information, many, MANY children learned the exact things that you did, without getting the shit beaten out of them. Beating children is not required to raise functional adults, as much as you would like to continue to insist otherwise.
In honor of this post I am inventing a new word. It’s a portmanteau of “dumb” and “funny”. I shall call it “fumby”.
CitizenPained, you, and your post, are very fumby. It makes me laugh, but it also makes me sad. Please, stop being so fumby. You should strive for funny, without so much dumb.