Der Trihs, a moment of your time, if you would.

[El_Kabong]

So, Magellan01’s making a little list, is he? Shades of Joseph McCarthy. Or Charlie, maybe.

I don’t hate the military per se, but I kinda hate some of the stuff they’ve done in Iraq. Does that put me on the list? I’d hate to be left out of such a jolly-sounding little club.

[Oakminster]

@tagos

Somehow I think you’re both so poisoned and blinded by partisanship, so steeped in denial, and so pickled by fear and blind hatred that you can’t. It’s kind of sad really.

Pot, meet Kettle.

[magellan01]

@tagos

That is just childish hair splitting and you either know that, in which case you should not be using such a school boy debating tactic, or you need to wise up.

No. You are incorrect. I take this as admission that you know you are wrong.

@tagos

The reality of the situation is that an organisation has both set the US foreign policy for this decade and then provided the self-same people the the Executive to implement it. And they have tried to implement it with dreadful results.

Okay. Still not an official arm of anything and not a conspiracy.

@tagos

To carp on about the precise dictionary definition of official as if this is some ‘neener, neener’ playground game instead of a discussion about something of deadly and long lasting impact on the domestic and world scene is petty, an insult to the intelligence of a whelk and a slap in the collective face of everyone these people have gotten killed or maimed.

Further admission on your part.

@tagos

The PNAC took over US Foreign policy and their ideas and their people remain in control and remain trying to sell us imaginary victory in Iraq and foist a new war on us in Iran.

No. The government—the* official *government—adopted the ideas of a particular think tank. They also hired some of the people affiliated with that think tank to help implement it. The previous administration had the same opportunity and declined.

@tagos

Can’t you see just how pathetic it is for people like you and Monty to carp about the narrow meaning of a term in this ‘gotcha’ way as if it is in any sense clever or relevant compared to the actual continuing problem?

Ha! You and your friends here are the ones playing childish games of gotcha, desperate to describe PNAC in terms that are simply untrue. Let’s see, they were an “official”… Well, not realyy official official, but “official”. :rolleyes: And they were part of the conspiracy, which, well, you’re still trying unsucessfully to prove that in the other thread.

@tagos

Somehow I think you’re both so poisoned and blinded by partisanship, so steeped in denial, and so pickled by fear and blind hatred that you can’t. It’s kind of sad really.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr kettle. And it might surprise you to learn that I am no fan of Bush. Never voted for him. Never would.

Conclusion: you’re simply talking out of your ass.

[magellan01]

@Scoundrel Swanswater

Yeah, we are allowed to speak our mind so you can make your little pathetic list of military haters. :rolleyes:
And for your information : I don’t hate the military, I just think the Iraqi people have the right to take up arms against an illegal occupying force.

Glad to hear you now say you don’t hate the military. But that raises a questions: WHY THE FUCK DID YOU COME OUT OF NOWHERE AND RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YOU AGREED WITH DER SHIT AND WANTED TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST?

That said, I’m happy to take you off it if you’d like. It’s up to you. Let me ask you: is it a good think when one the insurgents kill one of our soldiers?

[magellan01]

@El_Kabong

I don’t hate the military per se, but I kinda hate some of the stuff they’ve done in Iraq. Does that put me on the list? I’d hate to be left out of such a jolly-sounding little club.

You’ll have to be more specific per se “per se” and “stuff” before I can make a fair determination. Just the fact that there’s some vaguery in your statement makes me think you do not have what it takes to make the list. I could be wrong.

[Caridwen]

@Monty

And, yet, it’s still not an organ of the US government. Go figure.

Thanks, Oakminster.

I don’t remember anyone saying it was an organ of the U.S. government. Go figure. If it was, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Regardless of which party we’re talking about, doesn’t it bother you at all that this administration came into office with an agenda that was formulated by this or any other organization? You have no idea what their motivations may be, financial or otherwise.

Does it bother you at all that one of the three financial backers is the Sarah Scaife Foundation- Funds the George Marshall Institute which is also funded by Exxon to debunk global warming?

Or John M. Olin - president of the Olin Industries chemical and munitions manufacturing businesses?

Read the letter they sent to Clinton and who signed it.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm