..and then let the babies die without healthcare.
What you did was literally Godwinizing except using a safer option like GWB than Hitler. I’m not the numbskull in this case since I’m not the one who said someone posting non-genuine things on a messageboard is just as bad as someone killing hundreds of thousands for non-genuine reasons.
You know who else blamed his failures to communicate well on others? HITLER!
Well his cardinal sin in my view is that he makes hyperbolic claims that he can’t substantiate. Often. Other times he makes hyperbolic claims that are backed by a take on the world which can only be characterized as hysteria.
Me too. But I find it interesting. One guy in MPSIMS praised him for his hard line on Christianity. With respect to my fellow posters, it seems that shifting the Overton window really can affect some of the world’s dimmer lights. I am open to revising that interpretation though: I am confused.
I’ll provide a defense of Der though. There are outrages in this world, outrages that are not identified as such due to over-familiarity. The key example being warfare. One of the insights of the Book of Job is that it is appropriate to wail against evil, no matter what the cause. Reasonable people will note that some evils are necessary ones – but it should be remembered that they are evil all the same.
Of course Der’s jihad against Christianity and basically everything else is more than a little silly.
Yet another bit of numbskullery.
You know who else is a numbskull? **Der Trihs. **
My personal theory is that he’s actually a Freeper posing as their idea of a liberal.
Now that I think about it, he’s a great example of Poe’s law. Nobody can parody Der Trihs effectively, because it’s impossible to go more extreme than the shit he actually says.
This quote…
…and all the responses it sired aren’t even close. They’re things Der Trihs would actually accuse people of wanting to do.
Go ahead, I dare you. Parody Der Trihs in a way that nobody would confuse for something he actually said. Good luck!
He is pretty much the first person that comes to mind when I think of misogynists on the Dope. He never even caught my attention until that thread. I used to take the sexists very seriously but not so much lately… I try to think of them as the last gasping breath of misogyny in a world that has grown up and moved on. I know from experience that most men do not think in this way. But the fundamental problem for me is that I just can’t grasp that level of absolutism about… well, hardly anything.
“Republicans would set up death camps for athiests if they…” no, he said that.
“The US would commit genocide in Iraq, happily. Not even for oil, just because they can, and they want to…” no, he said that too.
“I support the Iraqi insurgents, and cheer for each death of their invaders, US and other coalition forces.” Nope, he has said that (essentially) as well.
“religion is a mental illness, and those who suffer from it should be locked up.” Damn. This is hard.
“Those who raise their children to believe in religion are guilty of child abuse.”
“Every US soldier is a war criminal, without exception.”
Ok, I begin to think you are correct. He is SO over the top, he has said so many trollishly rediculous things, that he is impossible to parody.
For those wondering, yes, he has said if not directly, than close to many of the things I posted there. Anyone who thinks he is rational and brings ANYTHING to a discussion on politics, history, US policy, or religion is delusional. He does nothing but lower the bar, and poison the well.
This is all from memory, btw. I haven’t seen most of anything he has posted in the last year or so, for reasons we can’t go into.
Der is just aping the engagement style of '60s campus radicals: black and white statements with the volume cranked to 11.
I know the mindset. Provocation is not just the means, it is an end in itself. Critical thinking taken any further is nuance and hairsplitting, a tool of the elites to distract one from the barricades and the frontlines. The difference today is that the frontlines are just talk like everything else.
I wasn’t aware of the misogyny until this thread. Really. I only knew about his inability to have a rational discussion about religion, business or US politics. This ads a whole 'nuther dimension to the poor fellow.
Inability to process non-literal language? Yip, you’re a Doper.
BTW, how many people did Pollyanna call fucking shits who have no right to be alive?
My preferred parlor game would be to pretend that he’s the embodiment of sweet reason. “Now of course I don’t agree with everything he says…”
Separately and stating the obvious, Der’s politics aren’t especially mysogynistic. It’s just that he has an apocalyptic world view that bleeds into pretty much everything, some of his tastes in sci-fi being a possible exception.
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His misogyny – which does not come out all the time, but only in certain threads – is the main reason I can’t take him seriously.
Politically, I agree with many of his points of view, although I insist that it is possible to be sociable with people I disagree with. (He doesn’t, which makes me wonder how he functions in everyday life.)
But his obvious contempt for women and family really turns me off. I know a lot of liberals, and generally they love their SOs, their parents, and their children. As far as I can tell this is all foreign to him.
He did correct me on a factual issue in a thread on abortion before, for which I was grateful. Didn’t state it, but there you go.
Meh. Weak. He might be misogynist but the examples given in the OP are poor. They are more an example of a fear of misandry. That’s like calling feminists male hating bigots.
I think they’re pretty clear examples of his indefatigably paranoid brand of misogyny, once you realize that he’s lying when he relates his understanding of the feminist point of view. When a person misrepresents a totally unremarkable idea, say, thirty times, in the exact same way, to get to a particular conclusion, you start to wonder whether there’s some sort of agenda at work there. Find a thread where he offers his ideas on gender relations, and you’ll find him shouting down the people he’s afraid of in order to tell them what they think.
Well, sure… but he’s *our *Misogynistic Jackass who gives both progressives and men a bad name
I think what he’s saying is that IF Der Trihs were president, he would do worse things than GWB did. He would make us all get gay married, force us all to have abortions and ban religion (of course he wouldn’t do any of those things except perhaps ban religion).
I have run into this facet of Der Trihs liberalism in threads about child support. He doesn’t believe men should have to pay child support for children they did not want. In other words if women have the right to choose whther or not to have a child then so should men. I think in his mind, he is not for women’s rights, he is for equal rights (and that frequently means falling on the feminist end of the spectrum).
I’ve never had problems with the whole consent issue in sex but I have no idea what sort of experience Der Trihs is used to or what sort of crowds he hangs out with. Maybe all the women he knows are in the “all sex is rape” camp and that has skewed his view.
He takes pretty extreme positions and I almost always disagree with him but while the extremists on the right have never said anything convincing, Der Trihs has managed to shift my position a little bit on things like abortion and gay marraige.
I will say one thing in favor of Der Trihs: He’s not a 9/11 truther. I realize that sounds like damning with faint praise, but 9/11 Conspiracy theories must have been very tempting to someone with his paranoid worldview. I’m a bit impressed that he has enough of a commitment to rationality to see them for the nonsense they are.