I think it was coincidental that both lundy and trinity were scouting out the kill site at the same time. I dont think trinity was expecting lundy there, hence the hide behind the pillar and mumbling “i’m found”. Trinity did however plan the bump in. to my best guess, measure up Lundy and his FBI ways.
Definitely convenient coincidence that Lundy and Trinity were scouting the Once and Future kill site together but other than that I thought the encounter was reasonable.
We saw Trinity scoping the article about Lundy; the article which included a huge photo of Frank and a ‘Serial Killer Hunter’ headline. Totally plausible that Trinity recognized Lundy and knew what he was up to.
I can understand Lundy’s suspicion of Trinity because the encounter seemed contrived as hell. Bumping into someone in a spacious, uncrowded plaza, okay but leaving the huge bundle of keys behind was over the top. It wasn’t one key or a quarter, it was a huge bundle of keys, most folks would notice if that fell out of their pocket.
What purpose did that serve for Trinity though? I wondered if he was trying to lift Lundy’s wallet to get his address but it seems like that might be a ballsy thing stunt to pull on a seasoned LE officer.
I thought it was a nice touch that the place wasn’t a bar any more, seemed very realistic in a large, ever-growing city like Miami.
Why does anyone think the Vacation Murderers are responsible for Lundy and Deb? That would seem hugely coincidental to me. Trinity has good reason to off Lundy and make it LOOK like a mugging.
I’m assuming that the VM’s and Anton will come up on the list of suspects and that no one will think of Trinity until Deb wakes up. Unless of course Dexter gets a chance to go through some of Lundy’s effects and finds notes or the tape. I hope they just let Deb crack this one.
I recommend spoiler boxing them and letting the reader decide. I don’t watch them, and I prefer not to know. For instance the next post to yours reveals Debra is in the hospital in the next episode, which ruins the suspense and makes me wish I hadn’t opened the thread.
I thought maybe he’d pickpocketed identifying information, or planted something that helped him locate him later or something like that.
have u seen the episode synopsis on the main page for wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dexter_episodes#Season_4:_2009
and look at the episode “road kill” (episode 408)
i couldnt believe it when i read it.
Road trip does not mean they travel together, it could just mean that Dexter is following him.
Trinity bumped Lundy to confirm if he had been ‘found’ or not - he was reading Lundy’s reaction.
Re-watched again today - Deb is shot once - in what appears to be lower kidney/gut area - while Lundy is shot twice - just before the shot, Lundy has this expression of “oh crap” on his face that makes me think that he recognized Trinity.
Trinity wants it to look like the random vacation murders, as that will take the focus off of him.
Deb - while definitely in pain - had a clear view of whomever the killer was as he/she rifled thru Lundys pockets and took his ring/watch.
Can’t wait till next week.
What the hell? This was episode four. I, and I believe most people, would appreciate it if you did not post spoilers regarding episode eight. :rolleyes:
Initially, I thought it was Anton killing them. Something has always seemed shady about him but the murder didn’t exactly look like a “crime of passion.”
If Trinity is the shooter it would be a major reworking of the character we’ve seen so far. Trinity is methodical and ritualistic. For a murderer he’s really not violent. Gun violence doesn’t seem like his style.
Remember outside the bar? Dude was-- for lack of a better term-- a pussy about getting beat up. Maybe he was purposefully regressing to get back to whatever moment he was re-enacting. That could be.
I still say Trinity isn’t the shooter and that for the sake of plot complication Deb and Lundy were vacation killer victims or copycat killers.
I’m betting it was trinity because, since we know he read the article about Lundy he got plenty to digest from it, as well, the vacation murders were front page news too and possibly in the same article with Lundy. Making a perfect copycat move for him to perform, we didn’t see the shooter take anything from deb in terms of money and goods and the shooter didn’t aim to kill deb which means he didn’t care about killing deb. (which makes anton more of a suspect) I don’t believe it was Anton just for the fact that deb got an eyeful of the shooter, she woulda yelled out something like wtf?
I’m thinking 80% trinity, 15% vacation murderers, 4% wicked crazy twist, 1% anton in terms of the shooter(s) of Lundy and Deb.
Yeah, Deb got a good look but the shooter was wearing all black, wearing gloves. It’s not out of the realm of possibility, indeed it seems most likely that the shooter was wearing a mask.
Cool SenorBeef, I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought Trinity might be lifting Lundy’s wallet. I think simster’s got it though, Trinity just wanted to know how much info Lundy had.
I had the same initial reaction as Push You Down about Trinity; he seems so focused and methodical that killing Lundy, however logical, seems out of character. The more I thought about it though, the more I’m convinced that it’s precisely within Trinity’s MO.
Trinity needs to kill, to complete the cycle, his whole existence is wrapped up in it. We’ve seen Trinity hit some snags already but he deals with them in the same methodical fashion that defines him. It didn’t matter that the second victim wasn’t suicidal, that his dad(assuming) wasn’t alive to beat on him, or that the bar was demolished. Lundy was just another obstacle - besides, we know Trinity doesn’t worry about leaving bodies, he has faith in his on meticulousness.
If he elected to slip below the radar and flee Florida, the cycle would be incomplete and I think THAT would be out of character.
Even if they don’t kill him off, he usually relocates after the third kill, so I don’t know what they have left in store for him…
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I agree that Dexter had a revelation during his interaction with Zoe, when he realized for the first time that he actually loved his family. Remember in Season 1, he introduces himself as a completely detached sociopath. Of course, we all knew he was wrong, but he finally figured it out for himself.
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Trinity outside the bar - I thought he was recreating a scene in his past where someone (his father?) taunted him about his sexuality. Except the roles were reversed, and he took on the role as the taunter in order to provoke another beating. I wouldn’t be surprised if the first victim, 30 years ago, was his mother. (Though surely Lundy looked into this?)
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I think there’s more significance to Trinity bumping into Lundy. I think he either slipped something into his pocket (a GPS device?) or pickpocketed something.
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I knew the second he voiced the description of Trinity into his recorder that Lundy was a dead man. Dexter will hear the description and go off on his own investigation, with Deb’s help.
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Deb has the WORST luck with men.
And let me say that John Lithgow is a great actor. He goes from being lovable in “Third Rock from the Sun” to really creepy as the serial killer.
Trinity might not kill #3 until the last episode of this year, that way the suspense builds.
First of all, Dexter would never kill his family!
If I am not mistaken, he has never once killed anyone who was not already “proven” by him to already have killed someone else. His code is to kill the bad guys, and that most certainly is NOT anybody in his family.
If Lundy dies, I win for predicting it when it was first hinted in one of the first threads that a “major character” would die.
This was a nice cliffhanger - I expected Anton to jump out of the bushes, or be seen watching them from afar, but didn’t expect bullets to fly.
That said, and having not read any of the spoilers, I doubt that Anton is the shooter/killer of the two.
At any rate, looking forward to next week’s episode.
BTW, the season premiere of Dexter was a huge success in ratings! One of the largest audiences for Showtime ever, and the best for Dexter. Seems quite a few people must have rented the series during the break.
Along that line, anyone else share the opinion that Dex’s only “Dark Passenger” is Harry?
I.E. if Dex really starts to examine himself compared to say “Trinity” and his brother the “Ice Truck Killer” (real sociopathic serial killers) that the only reason Dex is “The Dark Defender” (something very different) is because Harry groomed him to be exactly that.
CMC fnord!
Season 3’s main arc had a non-code killing as its foundation: accidentally killing Jimmy Smits’ brother drove the two of them together into their unholy union.
Also, did the psycho AA girlfriend actually kill anyone? Oh yeah, Doaks, but did Dexter really kill her for killing Doaks? My memory is a little foggy, but I seem to remember him killing her simply to tie up a loose end. Even ignoring that, would he have really turned himself in instead of killing Doaks himself? Again a little hazy in my memory, but I think not.
As a child, Dexter acted on urges to kill animals all on his own before Harry got involved with the code. He was always a serial killer in training, though the marriage and baby has sanded down a few of the rougher edges.
You are right on the first count, but I believe Lila was an arsonist and one time she “accidently” set fire to the house/apt where her boyfriend was sleeping.
Yeah but that was a heat of the moment life or death struggle. He did have a non-code kill though. The child molester that was stalking Astor.
She was shown a photo of Doakes (I believe it was pinned to the back of a postcard) also she did attempt to take three lives (Dexter, Astor, and Cody) he may have bent the code for her but she was close enough.
He was going to go through with the frame up job. He went back and forth on it a few times but his last thoughts before Doakes was killed by Lila was something along the lines of ‘Of course I’m not going to turn myself in’ after enjoying the day out with Rita and the kids.