Dexter Season 4 open spoilers for aired episodes [changed title]

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Only fairly recently has Dex cared about innocent victims. He couldn’t have cared less about the hookers the Ice Truck Killer was going after. He was actually surprised and confused by his own actions when he saved the boy Jeremy was going to knife. I could go on but it was clear (for the first two seasons at least) that he just used the code as a way of keeping his murderous impulses under control not that he actually was trying to save lives.

Dexter has changed radically from who he was. I’m rather hoping Trinity will take him back to his roots.

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Yeah, I don’t think Dexter’s got a whole lot of compassion for the world around him. His reaction to killers is usually something along the lines of “Ooooh, shiny!” rather than the socially acceptable horror. I agree with Darkhold, it’d be nice to see Dexter a wee bit more sociopathic than he has been of late.

I too have been annoyed by the Dexter/Rita fight but I do think it’s being portrayed realistically given what we know about Rita. I got a big kick out of Dexter wanting to fix things but being utterly baffled about what Rita wants. The bringing home gifts was kind of silly but his missteps in therapy and his inability to hold a conversation were gold.

If Dexter were a true blue sociopath he wouldn’t be able to feel the attachment and affection that he does for Deb and now his little family. Dexter has repeatedly said that his friends and family have become more than camouflage. However, it’s the almost sociopath part of him that’s intriguing and I hope they find ways to play that up more often.

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I disagree that Dex only recently started caring about the innocent victims - his first kill in the first episode was against a pedophile who killed his victims - all of his kills usually come with a rehash of why Dex chose them and it usually focuses on the victims of the person’s crimes.

Part of Dex’s code has always been that he killed ‘bad people that either slipped thru the cracks of justice or that the law couldn’t reach’ for some reason. He also meticulasly proved (to his own needs) that his victims were indeed guilty.

We only have 3 known kills that varied from that code -

1.) File Clerk - Mercy kill, wasn’t done as part of Dex’s code, but moreso as a friend.
2.) Pedophile who was stalking Aster(?) - clearly hadn’t been convicted/tried or caught yet - but Dex still found the evidence to validate the kill
3.) Ramone’s brother - self defense.

(i’m terrible with names today)

Now, perhaps you mean that he doesnt focus on ‘saving lives thru his kills’ - to which I agree, but he does still focus on the need for ‘justice’ for the innocent victims of his quarry.

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Simster makes a good point. Also, I think it was last episode, Dexter says that it’s okay for him to let Trinity live because the cycle has been completed and he figures Trinity will be dormant for awhile.

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I have a season 2 question: the girl who played Lila is British, is the accent the girl have British also, because it’s insanely hot.

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I finally caught up to the 11/1 episode.

I also disagree that Dexter doesn’t kill about the victims. He watched his mother die right in front of him, which was so traumatizing that it caused him to detach emotionally. And now he’s on a crusade to kill bad guys. (It’s “Batman” all over again, absent the cape and really cool car.) When he has them on the slab, he surrounds them with photos of the people they’ve hurt, to remind them why he’s going to kill them.

As far as who killed Lundy, my money is on Quinn. Anton is just too easy. I never suspected the Vacation Murderers. And shooting people from afar is not Trinity’s MO. Something is off about Quinn. (Now that I think about it, they dropped that entire subplot where IA was forcing Deb’s hand to spy on Quinn. Odd.)

The whole Maria/Angel thing seems like filler to me. They don’t have any chemistry together, IMO. Maria was so ambitious in former seasons and now she’s willing to give up her high-profile, important job in homocide…I don’t buy it.

I was surprised that Dexter didn’t dispose of the hammer, which he knew was Trinity’s murder weapon. Even without the blood, it left a very distinctive pattern on the victim’s skull, which would match the one Dexter had. And I agree that having Lundy’s missing files is going to come back and haunt him.

Re Trinity’s background: I theorize that his father was very abusive and beat Trinity (which is why he sought the beating in the alley), and sexually abused his sister. His sister ends up committing suicide. Trinity eventually turns on his mother, demanding to know why she didn’t do more to protect her daughter. Guilt-ridden, she kills herself. Later, he finally takes his revenge on his father by blugeoning him to death. However, he either gets away with it or is not caught.

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No, they resolved that plot point, can’t remember which ep though. It came to light that Yuki, the IA gal that was investigating Quinn, had a relationship with him prior to the investigation which pretty much nuked her credibility.

As I recall it was basically throw-away dialogue.

I don’t know if Quinn and Yuki actually had anything going though, the way it was framed, Quinn may have lied about the relationship.

Deb finally confronts Quinn about the IA investigation, I think they’re in the elevator at the precinct, and he asks if it’s an Asian chick. When Deb replies in the affirmative, Quinn says she’s a jilted lover. Deb confronts Yuki with the relationship and Yuki says something to the effect of, “oh that’s how he’s playing it!?” I always got the vibe that Quinn was just lying his ass off.

I can’t remember who says it but someone later confirms that the investigation was thrown out, might be Yuki herself.

Anyone have a more solid summary of events? Mine’s a bit Swiss-cheesey.

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word for word account to my best abilities to understand what they say and what they do.

S3E6, Yuki gives “final” ultimatum of get something being wired or she’s gonna let loose the fact that Deb’s been working for Yuki all along. Near the end of this episode, Deb fesses up to Quinn in the elevator.

Deb: “Internal Affairs is investigating you” (out of the blue)

Quinn emergency stops the elevator

Quinn: “what?”

D: “They’ve been giving me a sandpaper and … (not sure what she says but something like) I’m unaware and i’m wearing a fucking wire”

Q: “this has been going on for a while?”

D: “yes”

Q: and you’re finally telling me

D: I’m finally telling you, do you wanna tell me why this IA chick is so gung ho to bring you down?

(this “gung ho” comment makes it seem as if there’s an asian involved, or so I assume)

Q: huh (with a bit of a laugh), wait. Does this IA chick go by the name of Yuki Amato?

D: As a matter of fact, Yes.

Q: (laughs it off),

D: do you wanna tell me what’s going on?

Q: yea, yuki and i have, uh, history. It is a totally personal vendetta on her part, (pause), I’ll handle it. I appreciate the heads up though.

(ding goes the elevator, quinn leaves elevator. deb looks at quinn as he leaves. she leaves.

S3E7, near 2/3 in the episode.
yuki walking in at night to deb’s desk
Yuki: I had a high opinion of you deb.
(deb sighs)
Y: guess I was wrong.

D: i told you repeatedly to get out of my shit and you wouldn’t.
y: so you told quinn i was investigating him, he did what he does and now the case is dead. you chose the wrong friend.

D: you’re the one who fucked him, it isn’t my fault he didn’t want an encore.

y: is this what he told you this was about?

d: he didn’t have to it was obvious. Little miss heartbreak turns a cadillac and a fancy watch into a fucking IA investigation. How is that even original?

y: what an empty room your world must be if tohse are the dots you connected. I’m happily married, 7 years, working on our 2nd kid and zero interest in a waste of clothes like quinn.

D: fine, (pause) I really don’t give a shit.

y: well give a shit about this. A cop’s dead cuz quinn cut all the wrong corners I came to you to get him out of circulation. (points at deb) you refused. next dead cop’s on you.

(yuki walks away) end scene.

And yuki is gone.

S3E8, the anton is not a real CI talk.

(quinn makes fun of dexter) (deb gets in his shit) (quinn laughs it off)

talk of anton not in CI database.

D: what are you hiding?
Q: anton isnot officially a CI.
D: what do you mean?
Q: come here for a sec
walks to another more private room.

Q: look, it was just easier for the both of us, i never filed an arrest report on him, so he has no police record. i did him a favor plus it saved me the hassle of all that paperwork

D: you have to be fucking kidding me

quinn is puzzled

D: we used him as bait, he was putting his LIFE at risk and he was in no legal obligation to hlep us.

Q: nononono, there was no paperwork, that’s all (interrupted by deb)

D: NOt to mention the fact that he’s not officially a CI, there’s no end date for his working for us, so you can just string him along as long as you want to.

Q:what are you getting so upset about? you even love the guy?

Deb gives some sort of puzzled look

D: no im not in love with him

Q:but you’re sleeping with him, jesus christ do you know what a bonehead mistake that is sleeping wiht an informant? i mean it’s that kinda judgement that’ll screw up your career. (deb interrupts)

D: he’s not even an informant, u just said it.

Q: you didn’t know, either way makes you look stupid

D: nah, you dont need to lecture me, asshole. Anton can so easily file a huge lawsuit against the police department once he finds out how you fucked him over.

Q: yea, if someone told him

D: of course im gonna tell him

Q: you’ll sell out a cop for some dope you’re fucking?

D: that’s not half as bad as being responsible for another cop dying because you dont like to play by the rules.

Quinn bewildered

Q: what?

D: yuki told me.

Q: you dont know what the FUCK you’re talking about. (pissed off glare)

end scene.

near the end of episode, quinn confesses to deb the whole incident in the car.

d: try me

Q: yuki amato was my partner in narcotics, there was another detetive in our team, Stewart. he made a bad judgment call and shot an unarmed coke dealer.

D: i remember that. paralyzed him right? then stewart went on a bender and finally swallowed his own bullet, how does yuki make that your fault?

Q: because stewart had a problem with crystal meth, and i knew it, rahter then bust him i tried to protect him.

D; so it is your fault.

Q: everything is so black and white

D; you coulda stopped him

Q; yea sure if i knew what i knew now, that’s not the way things work

d; im sorry you’re just making excuses

q; of course im making excuses, dont you? how else you sleep at night

d; who the fuck says i sleep at night?

q; then you must be killing yourself for hooking up wiht anton huh?

d; yea, i think he lost interest once he found out that he was free

q; not so black and white is it?

end conversation. end the whole IA thing.

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Thanks man, that totally jogs my memory. I don’t even remember the third scene you posted, now I’m all caught up. :slight_smile:

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Getting back to this season: I figured that Dexter would end up killing an innocent person and now he has. He moved too quickly on the photo guy. Previews for next week look like he will explore that with an unexpected person.

I know it’s old news , but it’s funny how every time we see Harry he’s got a light shining on his head , guess that is their way of saying he’s a ghost.

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He did, didn’t he? If he hadn’t been in such a rush, he might have stopped to consider that the photographer wasn’t the only one with access to the studio and the models. He proved that a victim was killed at that site but that’s all. I’m kinda surprised that he was satisfied with that.

Any idea about why Quinn was at that club? Did Quinn see Dexter? It looked to me like he did. I didn’t catch the comment he made to the woman that Dex sent over to him. Did anybody hear what he said?

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Quinn was tailing Dexter that night, and followed him into that club.

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I don’t think quinn was tailing dex, more like he was looking for Farrow the artist dude and happened to see dexter go in the club and followed him. But he coulda been tailing Dex ala Doakes since dex did give him that “threat” of get your girlfriend off of Deb.

The comment was like “omg that’s Quinn” like he’s some sort of famous person. It was to get her all interested in Quinn and keep his attention away from Dex giving him the slip, which worked for Dex and got quinn pissed off for falling for that dumb shit interference.

And the deal with Harry and the halo type thing, i think it’s for the audience to determine that what we see is what only dexter thinks and argues amongst himself. Unlike where if you watch Heroes and they have Sylar and Parkman fighting inside parkman’s head. You dont’ know what’s in their heads respectively because it just seems as if they’re arguing to each other and we have to assume that the people around him don’t see the second guy but they can hear the one-sided conversation he’s having with himself. Where as dexter, when you hear him talking to Harry, he’s really spinning all that shit up in his head and not aloud.

Now what about that casket? did it look smallish in size to you guys? who thinks it’s for “kyle”? I don’t think so but it can be possible. How is dex gonna deal with killing an “innocent”. I’m not so sure he was completely innocent. I think it’s something like farrow was in on the kill, but the assistant cleaned it up and kept his mouth shut. Who knows, maybe I’m wrong on that one. The kill conversation that dexter had with Farrow didn’t exactly prove/disprove that he was the murderer of the girls. Dex’s victims usually deny involvement when shrink-wrapped to a table and then spout out the truth. Farrow didn’t exactly deny by saying he was “freeing” the girls, kinda sounds like he killed them to dex and then the meat cleaver came down for the final blow.

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“did that lab geek just ditch me?”

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Thanks for the recap of the IA storyline folding, BMada.

I also agree that Quinn was not following Dexter, but rather Farrow. They were equally surprised to see each other. The question is what was Quinn up to?

I don’t know what’s up with Rita, but I can’t stand her this season.

I thought that the whole “Young Sailors Club” felt contrived. I’ve been involved in youth groups my whole life. You’d never have just one adult (especially a male) with 4 kids on a boat, primarily for safety (What would have happened had Dexter had a heart attack?), but also to avoid even the suspicion of molestation. And it would have made so much more sense had Dexter waited til Cody fell asleep before leaving than to put a single kid in a big tent, and then leave without him being afraid or asking questions.

Can you just go into the woods and cut down a 30 foot tree? Not sure why Trinity was building a casket. It didn’t appear small to me.

That deer was an excellent actor.

I wondered why, if it was hot enough for Deb to have to put on her a.c. at night, did none of the cast wear a bathing suit when they were out boating? Odd that.

Michael C. Hall is shorter than I thought he was. Lithgow towers over him.

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I’ve just re-watched that scene – to me, it clearly looks like Quinn was following Dexter: he had his eyes on him while he pulled up, clearly following Dex when he entered the nightclub. Could be that he’d just seen him beforehand, off-screen, but if so, that wasn’t well shown.

I’m thinking ‘Trinity’ may be a misnomer – perhaps his cycle doesn’t end with three victims, and there’s a fourth one that Lundee simply never connected to the pattern (maybe because that one usually gets buried, leaving no body behind).

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It seemed like he was confused and hesistant while the photographer was denying killing them, but then he said something like “they should thank me, my pictures immortalize them” which kind of sounds like an admission.

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That’s how I took it as well -

re Quinn and Dexter at the bar - seems that Quinn spotted Dexter going into the bar and then got curious and started following Dexter at that point. Why Quinn was there originally we don’t know, but we do know that Quinn is trying to get “anything” on Dexter to even the tally, and is suspicious of why he kept the apartment.

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Which brings up another issue: What if one of Dexter’s victims convinces Dex of his innocence while he’s on the table? What’s Dex gonna do? He can’t just say “Sorry” and let them go.

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Yes…am I missing the joke here? shambles off for more coffee

I wondered why the hell Trinity thought they needed an axe, a bow saw, and other implements of destruction. A falling axe and some wedges maybe some saw gas and something bigger than a freakin’ Poulan but a bow saw? They weren’t going after the family Christmas tree.

And what the crap, they bucked up the tree and neatly stacked it but all the sudden T’s making lumber out of it? Did he cellotape those firewood chunks back together? Then we have the shot of him planing a 2x4 that looks properly dried and shrunk and a casket that looks distinctly 2x4-less. GRRRR

The casket had me scratching my head. I thought “Kyle” or a stranger but neither of those is particularly compelling. How do you explain away the death-box in your garage? “Halloween prop.” “Oh honey, you know we’ll die eventually, I’m just trying to save the kids a few bucks.” Must be nice to have sole control of the garage.

I liked the lil’ wiggle in Dexter’s walk when he gained access to the club.