So Muffin, thanks for mentioning the discussion of ignoramity at dictionary.com. Yeah, that poster proposes the word exactly as I meant it: “ignoramity, meaning a deliberate attempt at ignoring truth.” - not only being an ignoramus, but working hard to remain one. ivn demonstrated that well. Dio OTOH evinced more of what I like to call “ignorragance” - a portmanteau of ignorance and arrogance - completely wrong but so damn cockily sure of himself. The line between the two can get hazy at points but the distinction is a real one. It is sort of like the distinction between two closely related Yiddish words: schmeil and schmazel. They are both buffoons but with a difference. A schmeil is someone who trips and spills his hot chicken soup; a schmazel is the one it lands on.
Anyway, any bets on whether or not Dio has the cojones to return and to acknowledge that he was wrong? I give it 50 50 myself.
I wasn’t wrong. I said CPS needs a court order to remove kids from a household. They do. I said if there’s an emergency, they call the cops and the cops do it. That’s also true.
Cites have been provided to you from multiple states that CPS workers can remove children without the police and without a judge’s ruling if they believe the child may be in imminent danger. They have the authority to do that. You were 100% wrong to claim that they do not and the it’s true cause my wife who is a social worker says so is an embarrassing ploy for GD.
Shame. I was rooting for the 50% that said you had some self respect and that there was a reason for the rest of us to have some for you still. I wanted that to be true. Really, I did. Oh well.
Hassenfeffer is rabbit - a reference to the Bugs Bunny bit.
Your post quoted in the OP makes no mention of the police. It does however contain the quite clear statement;
“I don’t know the facts of this case, but just for the record, CPS cannot take kids out of a home”.
Heck, lets just repost the whole thing,
*"I don’t know the facts of this case, but just for the record, CPS cannot take kids out of a home. It has to be ordered by a judge. CPS can make a case to a judge as to the why it thinks a household may be unfit, but they don’t make the decison. A court does. If these kids were removed, it was because a judge ordered it done, and the judge ordered it done because the evidence presented fit a prescribed set of criteria.
The image that CPS workers can, or even want to, just arbitrarily snatch kids away from homes is a bogus one."*
I can’t speak for Tennesse, but her in Ontario it happens all the time. So as to avoid conflict with the parent(s), the case worker and the case worker’s supervisor apprehend the child from school.
By that’s neither here no there, for no one has disputed that when apprehensions are made at home, police usually attend to keep the peace. You repeatedly insisted that an apprehension could not be made without a court order, and stuck to that line even after the procedure used in Tennessee was presented to you.
And you are still weaseling about. My god, man, I’m embarassed to see you do this.
Come to think of it, I’ve also come across emergency apprenensions that were made at the CPS office and the supervised access centre without police involvement.
My post #26 I think to start. Explicitly written that the CPS workers have the authority to immediately remove the child and involve other authorities later.
But let’s even play this as if these cites had not been provided to you. You make a claim in GD then it is your job to prove said claim if it is questioned. That’s how GD works; failure to back up what you claim will only result in you being held up as someone full of shit in the future. So even if you were correct - which you 100% clearly are not (I’ll see your social worker wife and raise you my being a pediatrician except that appeal to authority means little in GD) - your “can’t be assed” response is Pit-worthy in and of itself. Your insisting that the world is flat anyway at this point merely makes you look increasingly pathetic. I had actually expected more from you.
In Virginia, Va. Code § 63.2-1517 provides that a child-protective services worker may take a child into custody for up to 72 hours without prior approval of the court or the parents in the face of “…an imminent danger to the child’s life or health…” or “…if evidence of abuse is perishable or subject to deterioration before a hearing can be held…” and a court order isn’t immediately available.
In those cases they call the police. They don’t physically take the kids themselves. Still waiting for a cite for CPS taking kids without EITHER a court order or the participation of the cops. If they see an emergency, they HAVE to call the cops.
The notion that CPS just goes and snatches kids and spirits them away, on its own authority without any supervision is horseshit.
And who gives a fuck about Ontario? This is America.
That’s not true. Often they will call the cops, but not always, and there is no rule, regulation, law, or guideline requiring that they do so.
I’ve seen it happen personally, during my time as a PD: CPS workers removing three children from a home, no cops, no court order. As long as there’s a hearing in JDR court within 72 hours, it’s legal.
It happened to John Proctor in 2004. He sued Viola Vaughn-Eden, a licensed clinical social worker in private practice in Newport News, Virginia who did an evaluation of his daughter, along with several employees of the Albemarle County Department of Social Services: Lori Green, a caseworker for Child Protective Services and the lead investigator; Cindy Casey, Green’s direct supervisor; John Freeman, the Assistant Director of ACDSS; and Kathy Ralston, the Director of ACDSS.
Note the lack of any statements mentioning police officers, and their absence as defendants. The police were not involved. CPS did not have a court order.
Dio, it is now getting to the level of arguing with the psychotic man on the street corner.
What part of “may immediately remove the youth and place the youth in a protective facility. After ensuring that the child is safe, the department may make a request for further assistance from the law enforcement agency” do you read as requiring that the worker delay removal until after calling in the police or the court first?
And again, the point is that you have a made a claim and then refused to back it up. It was not the obligation of others to prove your claim false, even though they have, it was your job to provide support for the claim.
This is beyond pathetic.
Look, you could have gotten away stating that your impression is that it is uncommon to take a child away immediately and even more uncommon to do so without getting the police involved as well. But you instead made an absolute statement that is completely a fabrication, refused the request to back it up in, and still continue to stand by it in the face of overwhelming proof that you are mistaken.