Discussion thread for the "Polls only" thread (Part 2)

Yep, I concur. And really those things are often fact-free.

Then feel free to ignore it (except, again, maybe the last question). If anyone wants details, which I didn’t include because it was too long to be appropriate for a poll, I made an actual discussion thread.

I got so distracted by the people in the comments who were claiming to be allergic to water that I haven’t any energy left to deal with the poll.

Also it’s entirely unclear to me whether the person on tumblr stood up, or possibly bent down, and made a fuss in the middle of the funeral, or just complained afterwards on tumblr, or possibly to their husband, about it.

This. If they made a fuss at the funeral, they are an asshole and shouldn’t be telling other people how to mourn. But if they went to the funeral, were respectful, but it upset them, and were later moved to write the Tumblr article (which includes no names or identifying details) then i didn’t think they did anything wrong. And they do have a point. It’s not a point i would have been moved to write about, but it’s interesting to read, and they aren’t wrong.

I don’t think the mourners are assholes either way. People think and say all sorts of dumb stuff when they’ve just lost someone they love. Anyway, it was more a critique of the way the deceased chose to live her life than it was of her relatives.

I think the poster was just projecting her personal issues onto the dead lady. It’s not horrible advice to not be a doormat, but there are a lot of people who fancy themselves to be downtrodden who really aren’t. They usually need a different message, like “stop navel-gazing on social media.”

As a woman, people are always telling me to take time for myself. (Do people do that to men?) Even my boss wants me to take time for myself. But that’s something I already do and my problem isn’t really lack of time to myself so much as difficulty managing the logistics of my life. My problem is executive function. So I don’t believe women are universally in need of this message.

It reminds of those women who post, “A man should treat you like his queen!” What does that even mean? On the one hand, you should choose a partner who cares about you, and it doesn’t hurt if they have some admiration for you (like I have for my husband.) On the other hand, maybe to her, being a “queen” is getting waited on hand and foot and constantly showered with compliments, which is not realistic or reasonable.

Unless you know exactly who you’re talking to it’s meaningless advice, and if it reinforces someone’s delusion about being a put-upon victim, then it can do more harm than good.

Also, melodramatic much?

I didn’t think her message only applied to women. Right now, I’m kinda thinking that if my husband had been less stoic, and complained more about his back pain, his cancer might have been diagnosed a lot earlier, with less damage to his body. Maybe that’s why her message resonated with me right now.

I thought it was more of the relatives, that they were being criticized for having only noticed what the deceased had done for them, and not anything else about her.

@Leaper started a new thread to discuss this

Inna and I own the company, and we haven’t laid off anyone.

We’re losing revenue at the non-profit where I work, but we are not laying people off. Instead we’re adjusting through attrition. That means when people leave, they aren’t replaced.

I was laid off in April among an important percentage of the company’s employees, fortunately they told me in March that it was going to happen and I managed to land a new job before I got laid off (about 15 days before) one of the more stressful months of my life :confused:

I’m working on switch decommissions, which is saving my company millions of dollars each year. I have a lost of switches that’ll take me through retirement age.

For once, telecom pays off.

I have no idea what the taste or texture of human meat is, having never tasted any. So the plant food can’t remind me of it.

I’m probably not going to make something as highly processed as that would have to be a major part of my diet, though. And, come to think of it, I’ve got some serious doubts about the design process. How would they know that’s what it tastes like?.

I decided to accept the hypothetical that it’s cheaper and tastes better than meat, with similar nutrition. So i voted I’d eat it.

But in fact, I’ve been told that other plant-based meats taste “really good” and “the same as meat” and they don’t. I gather they taste not-too-dissimilar when smothered in a sauce i wouldn’t be eating anyway. (Why yes, i often eat a plain burger, with a knife and fork, cooked with some salt& pepper. I might add ketchup but probably not.) So I’m fact, i reject the hypothetical. But i decided to accept it to vote in the poll.

Faux long pork sounds like the kind of processed food I’m trying to avoid these days. I like to know where my food comes from…so only dead tramps (with ID) near the railroad tracks for me.

…So pork. At least, for taste.

Rather then plant-based, what I’m looking forward to is vat-grown meat.

There are some products already out there, and a couple have even gotten FDA approval to sell. Time will tell whether this can be done more cheaply than slaughtered-animal meat. Right now it’s really expensive, in both money and resources.

This is also a highly processed food, but if it avoid the environmental and ethical issues around meat, I’d be really interested.

If anyone produces a human product, i guess you’d want to know the source of the cells, and if they were ethically harvested.

I’d try it. Or at least try to try it. I might be able to get past the initial gross-out reaction.

Yeah, I can’t tell you how many people (well, maybe five or so) have told me how good a particular veggie burger was, and, nope, it was not.

I have nothing against meat substitutes, but mostly when they’re in something like a soup or stew. As a burger or other beef product, they’ve typically ranged from not good to disgusting.

The times I eat vegan food I overwhelmingly prefer food that isn’t pretending to be some kind of animal product. I have a hella good veggie burger recipe and it’s not even pretending to be a hamburger. I can’t stand fake meat, fake cheese or anything else. I’d rather just have a plant based meal with its own strengths.