Same. No street. No walk. If someone gets over my gate and walks up my very long drive I will consider them a trespasser, a dumbass and they will be stopped.
I don’t know what they’re gonna say. Not gonna ask.
It could be Jesus himself. I’ll hold him there the full time it takes for cops to come haul him away.
If they threaten me they might have more problems.
I don’t have to put up with strangers on my property. And I won’t.
I already answered that-
Maybe in that case.
But in the usual urban suburban residential area there is a public street.
I said no, they cant climb fences, etc.
But what you two are describing is quite rare.
In general. in the usual urban suburban residential area there is a public street. Unless you have a fence and a gate, they can walk up the normal walkway and knock. Just like delivery people, utility workers, police, fire, etc…
This could leave a legal loophole. You are allowing public access.
So, “no soliciting laws” do not apply to missionaries. But yes, they cant climb fences, break down your door or do other acts of criminal trespass.
As a Religious Person, I’d like to say that This Sucks. Why should ANYone get to intrude on someone else?
I’ll say what I say to local politicians: Leave a pamphlet in the mailbox and IF I’M AT ALL INTERESTED I’ll call you or check your web site. But don’t waste your time wondering if I will…
Of course, that would be illegal too. (although, to my knowledge, not enforced)
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I support the Bill of Rights myself.
I had a drop in today! For the first time in years. A buddy of mine who I haven’t seen in months happened to be driving by my house and pulled over. My immediate reaction was delight and I immediately thought of this thread.
That really depends on a lot. In the city where I live , there are plenty of fenced and gated front yards. Even without a fence or gate, in my state a person commits trespass if they don’t leave my property when they are told to. Now, will the police get there while the trespasser is still after being told to leave? Probably not. Will the trespasser get a ticket if they leave when the cop tells them to? Maybe not. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t trespassing. I can’t shoot them just because they are trespassing but that’s because in my state I can’t use deadly force to protect property , only a person.
Do realize how many people in flyover country live rurally?
There have been numerous thefts and crimes committed. People saying they are there to “spread the word” and really they are there to case the joint.
I can and will stop them as far away from the house as possible.
BTW…I own the road too. Doesn’t stop them.
And if you fill my mailbox with crap it will come back to you with a nasty note on it.
I’m not being just an asshole. I have experience with these things.
I’d tell the whole sorted tale from errant hunters, campers, vine pullers and one naked man walking down my road to young lovers swimming in my pond. If you want.
Wait, are you saying I can swim in your pond?
I’m pretty sure access differs between the actual dwelling and the overall curtilage of the property. You can close off either, and demand someone leave either, but they can walk through an open front gate onto unposted land; although they may not enter an open front door. (Yes, I watch a lot of bad cop videos on YouTube).
They have an absolute right to use the public street. They do not have a right to enter your private walkway or road – even if you’ve given permission for someone else, delivery person or not, to do so.
If I let a delivery person carry a heavy box into the house, does that mean that I have to allow everybody else into the house? If I’m friends with the mail carrier and ask them in why should that mean that I have to let anybody in who I don’t want in?
And why should missionaries have any greater right than unrequested salespeople? I can see why they wouldn’t have a lesser right than salespeople. But I see no reason why they’d have a greater right.
Quite a lot of us don’t live in that situation.
And even people in that situation can, in many areas, have a fenced yard. It’s trespassing to come into such a yard without permission.
Ah. So it’s illegal for the government to block full public access right up to the doors of the White House and the Supreme Court, no matter what’s going on? For that matter, up to the doors of the personal quarters within the White House and the judges’ individual chambers in the Court? Though even the latter are public property.
And nobody can require a parade permit for any sort of gathering whatsoever, or restrict the parade route?
And it’s entirely legal to surround a church holding a service with people chanting loudly and clanging gongs, thereby preventing anyone hearing the service within the church, so long as the chants and gongs are also part of a religious service? And, while we’re at it, even if they aren’t, because they’d be peaceably assembling and that can never in any way whatsoever be interfered with?
psst . . . I think you mean “sordid”. Though you might mean you’ve sorted out the tale.
I think someone should get out more.
I don’t know the numbers for “flyover country” specifically, but nationally, only about one in five. From the US Census Bureau, “The rural population — the population in any areas outside of those classified as urban — increased as a percentage of the national population from 19.3% in 2010 to 20.0% in 2020.”
Yes. But of course the Missionaries do leave after they are told “no thanks”. But yeah, if they stood there on your porch and yelled at you for the long time it would take to get the cops to arrive- the cops would make them leave. First by asking nicely, then more stringent methods.
But that does not mean a missionary just walking up your walkway from a public street is automatically trespassing.
Less than 20%.
But like I said if you live on a private road, things are different. I was talking about whaer the great majority of Americans live.
And sure if you live in the middle of Ft Knox, they cant get to you either.
More or less what I have found out also.
If you have a walkway leading to your door from a public street, and it isnt gated and fenced- they do. Maybe a “No trespassing” sign might do it.
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Yes, somewhat less than 20%- which as a % is small but as a number is large.
Those are fenced and gated. Not public access.
Nor can they walk into a Nuclear plant. or a military base or all sort of things that are not public access.
They are if my front yard/walkway is enclosed. And many are, even in cities.
Sordid and sorted. Actually I was typing while sitting on the deck perusing my property and enjoying the peaceful surroundings. Til I heard the gate bell ring. UPS. Delivering a box. They never ask to pass the gate. Just chuck the box over. NM it might fine bone china😉.
We will go down there and get it soon. No porch pirates have found us yet. Yet. He could’ve put it in my mailbox that’s a mile or so away off the state highway. But, can’t. Someone stole it last week l. Number, about 20.
You see folks, all the amendments, constitutions, laws, threats, signs, common sense don’t mean shit if someone wants to take advantage of you.
We moved out here because we wanted peace. No neighbors. No visitors we didn’t invite, no trespassers, no solicitors. No intrusions.
We wanted safety for the family and pets. A secure way to protect belongings.
The only real thing that has worked was Mr.Wrekkers reputation for not taking crap off people.
There are noobs who get the idea they can come here to do whatever. We soon teach them differently.
(Yes, @thorny_locust , I did use the wrong word. Thx.)
Those are restrictions on the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government.
The area surrounding the White House didn’t use to be fenced and gated. People used to be able to come right up to it, and sometimes to wander in.
My point still stands: there are a whole shitload of things abridging the right of the people peaceably to assemble. And the exercise of one’s religion does not automatically extend to foisting it on others.
And what if my religion prohibits being instructed in other religions?
– My property is posted in deer hunting season. No fences, no gates, just a sign on a tree every hundred feet or so. Anyone coming on to the property without permission is legally trespassing. The fact that I give some people permission – including that I give some specific people permission to hunt – has nothing to do with it.
I mentioned upthread trespassing problem people off “my” condo complex. I’ve done it to religious solicitors too.
Most left when asked, but grumbling. One did not. My response while calling 911: “Go ahead. Make my day.”
He was gone before the cops arrived. But they came promptly and I would’ve loved to watch the jerk stand his ground until they picked him up off it.
Assuming proper signage, in substantially every jurisdiction every property owner has the absolute right to control who enters and remains on their land. With only minor exceptions for government workers and utility employees doing their official duties.
The fact the vast majority of (urban / suburban) people don’t bother to exert their right of control does not mean it’s become inoperative as a matter of law.
I’m betting that when you remove the more urbanized coastlines, that number rises. Hard to tell how much.