I don’t buy this at all. For many consumers of porn, it’s important to their enjoyment to think that there is some degree of spontaneity and sincere pleasure going on, and they bristle at the suggestion that any of it whatsoever may be faked. That’s the reason for all these “reality porn” schticks… I myself find that genre appealing for exactly that reason, but my faith in it goes only as far as it helps me suspend disbelief that these are all paid actors.
That’s not to discount the possibility that there are porn actors who get some enjoyment for their work, or the off-chance that there really are non-actor porn films out there. If there’s room on the sexual bell-curve for a woman having sex with a horse, I’m sure you can get some chick at the mall to go home and have a 4-way DP with total strangers. I’m just saying that the actual number of authentic instances is probably much, much, much less than they’d have you believe. Porn is by definition all about illusion, that’s why it’s difficult to figure out exactly what’s going on behind the scenes, even when you have the “behind the scenes” outtakes.
Isn’t there a poster on the boards who works, or used to, in the industry? I always found his/her insights interesting. Anyone have a clue who I’m talking about?
I would think it would be pretty easy to tell if someone is blasted on drugs by watching their movies. Dilated eyes, slurred speech, poor balance and and so forth would be fairly obvious I would think. Needle tracks would be really hard to hide as well. What people do after the shoot is another matter of course. There are seemingly quite a lot of people in porn so you would expect some of them would have substance abuse issues.
I think the “reality” type scenarios described above are all faked. The legal issues are too big to allow for that. The Girls Gone Wild guys have to jump huge hurdles with IDs and signed waivers and they still get sued for filming things that happen in public. Porn stars have to be tested for STDs before perfoming as well. Liquoring up the girls beforehand would only add another layer of trouble (like with Borat).
Interesting. It must affect different people in different ways, then (much like most drugs). My sample population (both “professionals” and recreational users) unanimously reports no or weak boners and little to no interest in actual sex. Lots and lots and lots of touching and making out, though. I wonder why the difference?
Granted, there are probably few, if any, reality porn sites in the world that literally shows the pornographer approaching a girl in a mall, offering money for sex, then straight to the set to screw some strange guy, the end, with no cut in the video. They have to sign a contract I suppose, shower (hopefully). etc. And I agree the picking a girl off the street is schtick because the average guy may like that scenario. But there are absolutely many many instances of such sites going out in public finding a girl, and the girl screwing a total stranger hours later. It would be impractical and pointless for the girls to spend time and get to know the due who bangs them, especially when many people don’t have a problem banging a stranger.
I mean, what’s the difference between an amazingly hot girl from Kansas showing up in Hollywood and being in a pono that night, and the finding the girl at the mall scenario? In either case, its a regular girl having sex for money on camera with a total stranger- maybe they shake hands and exchange pleasantries beforehand, maybe not. I have seen real pornstars who they have banging joes off the street who may be old, fat weirdos and they have zero problem doing it.
Because in the first scenario you have a woman who wants to get into the sex industry, contacts a porn studio, and starts work “that night”.
In the second scenario you’ve got to wander around the mall asking random women if they want to be in a porno. I have to imagine the average number of women you can find in this scenario on any given day of wandering the mall is zero. And how many complaints to mall security are you going to get from a camera team going up to random women in a mall asking them if they want to be in a porno? You’ll be kicked out pretty quick.
Yes, there are plenty of women willing to work in the sex industry for reasons that seem good to them. But you don’t find them by wandering around asking random women if they want to work in the sex industry. They find you.
Tell you what. Get a videocamera and head for the mall. Start asking every reasonably attractive woman you see if they want to be in a porn movie. See how long you last before you’re arrested.
Couldn’t you also ask why people enjoy orgies, then? Does a woman who goes to an orgy and winds up having sex with another woman become a lesbian?
I think it’s important to distinguish between private acts and public. A lot of women who aren’t attracted sexually to other women in private circumstances might be just fine with it at an orgy or in front of a camera or on a stripper stage - because the act just becomes one of friction on the right organs. Stripped of the emotional context and need to be intimate with the other person, I think a lot of barriers to same-sex sexual interaction probably drop.
I read an article once that had an interview with a mainstream film actress who claimed she was decidedly not gay or even bi, and had never considered doing anything with another women, but found that when she had to kiss and fondle another woman in a movie it was surprisingly erotic for her. My guess is that because it was part of the ‘job’ and therefore okay to do it, it removed the stigma from it and made it ‘okay’ to do, and therefore she was free to enjoy it for what it was.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people who do porn do it because they find that they enjoy sex when it’s stripped of any real intimacy, or ‘shame’, or need to justify the act in any way other than ‘it’s for the cash’. It gives them an ‘out’ to free themselves from their inhibitions and hang-ups. If having sex with another woman is just part of the script, you don’t have to lie there and wonder if there’s something wrong with you for liking her, if you’re a lesbian, or even just to be weirded out by having sex with another female because you are decidedly not a lesbian and you know it. In this case, you’re doing what you were paid to do and no more, so suddenly you’re free to just enjoy the fact that another attractive person is pleasuring you.
Or have the shit beat out of you by the woman. It is bad enough when guys say “And how* you * doin?” Ask if I want to be in a porn, you probably won’t be getting up anytime soon. Yes, the jail time would be worth it.
I think the porn industry is sad. Seriously, how much enjoyment can a person get out of sex when you have some loon in your face screaming “Hey babe, a little to the left, I have to get a picture of his dick in your ass.” “Moan a little louder and tell him how good he is” “No we don’t have time to get you turned on. Grab the lube.” I think we need the barfy face.
The lovey-dovey stuff for me is usually in the first 2-3 hours, where it IS more difficult to get an erection, but after the 3-4th hour, I have no trouble.
sigh…all we can get around here now is DXM masquerading as MDMA…I really miss the old days.
I’ve never had to do this, but I do actually know of a few people who always take a Viagra with MDMA to achieve erection…so I’m sure some different people are affected different ways. I’ve been to quite a few after hours parties where everyone was rolling, and people are often sneaking off to have sex(or full blown orgies break out)…I would just assume that some people are like me, and can get it up and keep it up with stimulation, and some people need viagra to do the same.
The same thing is often done with coke…which I will admit absolutely destroys any ability to maintain an erection for me.
And to the poster who said people would be wobbling around, etc…most people can be on X and keep it relatively together, it was always difficult for anyone who didn’t know about the drug to tell when people in a club were on it, for instance…the only real tell-tale sign is the pupil dilation, or if someone is just faced and so messed up they are talking gibberish.
re: viagra use in male films - an article in the Chicago Reader a few years ago made the point that it is, indeed, widespread (excuse the expression). But I also have to wonder if it’s not widely used in hetero porn, too, given how long some of these guys go.
I think a lot of people like doing porn, for any number of reasons.
There are no doubt some sad aspects of the porn industry. For instance, naive girls who move to L.A. to make their names in film who believe they need to do some porn first. Many of us have seen these sad young women being put through the paces by some powerful slimeball with a videocam. Horrid. However, since porn (or erotica - depending on your politics) has had an arousing effect on men and women throughout history, it’s not likely that images of sex are soon going to disappear from our society - or most others. Thankfully.
I imagine the main drug that gets people do do things on film that you can’t usually get them to do on a date is money.
Keep in mind that many female porn actresses get a thousand dollars or more for one day’s work. And they usually have a casting veto over the male performers and over specific sexual acts.
So I don’t think it’s all that inconceivable that there are women who are willing to pick out a man they find attractive, have sex with him, and then get paid a thousand dollars. Yes, there are downsides to the business but I think it’s clear that some women are going to see some positive points in the deal.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that most females in porn are exhibitionists. That would make sense. Could be there’s a real thrill in having the camera and crew right there.
Do you really think that situation happens in reality as often as it seems to happen in porn? No doubt it’s possible but I don’t think it’s common enough to serve as the basis for an analogy.