Do you think Trump will win in 2020?

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  1. If they can vilify Hillary and make it stick, they can do that to anybody.
  2. Those people never supported Trump in the first place. His approval rating hasn’t changed more than a few percent.
  3. Trump supporters are also energized.
  4. 2018 Senate election showed that SC justices aren’t very important to Democratic voters, but are important to Republican voters.
  5. Most voters aren’t farmers.
  6. The middle class weren’t hurt by tax cuts either. And many think the tax cuts helped improve the economy.
  7. Decent people didn’t vote for Trump to begin with.
  8. He was exposed as a racist piece of shit long before the 2016 election.
  9. Most people don’t know that.

Until we know who he’s running against, it’s pointless to speculate about the result.

Who would have thought that “horribly disappointed” could be a gross understatement?

No, Trump wont win, becuase:

  1. No Comey letter. 538 put that as the #1 reason Hillary lost.

  2. The Dems will remember 2016 and campaign harder in battleground states.

  3. The Russian trolls won’t have as much of a impact. Facebook, etc are wise to them, and to a lesser extent so is the American voter.

  4. Tump lied to the rust belt to get their votes. Their factory jobs have not come back (and they can’t). They are angry and disillusioned.

Biden has the best chance, but many others could do it also. I suspect Sanders and Buttigieg are the main two losers. Even tho i am no Harris fan, she could beat trump. Beto, Warren, a good shot. If Beto can bring in Texas, he’s in.

What makes you think that? Remember the fake Pelosi video a couple of weeks ago?

Yes, but that was very quickly discredited, so fast I never even saw the original.

I voted no, based on this simple if speculative reasoning: no one who didn’t like Trump in 2016 will be motivated to turn around and vote for him now, while many people* who were unmotivated to vote (or maybe willing to give him the benefit of the doubt against Hilary) in 2016 will now be motivated by what they’ve seen to vote against him.

*How many? It doesn’t have to be millions. 70,000 in the right states would have done the trick in 2016, and the mid-terms make me confident that at least that many will come through in 2020.

It depends where the votes are.

Win by huge margins in CA and NY, lose by a hair in TX, FL, PA, MI, and WI, and the popular vote win with EC loss could be much much bigger. Theoretically.

You’ve got to win those last three states.

This is important. And disturbing.

No, if the Dems win Fla, the numbers change.

Correct, there is just about no way for a Republican to win the presidency without Florida.

Job Number One is for Dems to convince one another that they will be voting for the Democratic candidate named “Not Donald Trump,” sorta like the Orlando Sentinel suggested yesterday. Oops, I guess in the interest of fair play that’s the “failing” Orlando Sentinel.

Trump supporters (most Republicans) are one- or two-issue voters: abortion, gun rights

Democrats have too many issues to promote and must also defend themselves from the single issue people. This makes their efforts too dilute to be effective.

So, Trump.

(gawd help us all)

KarlGauss, don’t forget about the single-issue voters whose one issue is “libtard tears”. They’re an important part of Trump’s coalition, too.

Single issue gun votes are maybe 5% of gun owners, and they have voted GOP for quite some time, we still got Obama and Bill Clinton. Trump is no friend to gun owners, anyway. Same with abortion, since on the left you got single issue Choice voters.

More pointless than posting that a thread is pointless?
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I think he’ll win. As soon as the Democrats replace “Not Donald Trump” with a real name on the ballot it’s going to be downhill for them.
Trump has a rock solid base that won’t abandon him under any foreseeable circumstance, and it’s dispersed enough to leverage the electoral map better than the Democratic field is. He’ll fight dirty as hell, relentlessly attacking any opponent with no regard for the truth, and based on what I see on FaceBook, he’ll have an army of followers who are as truth-agnostic as he is. At the end of the election, the politics of division and fear is going to resonate more than anything and anyone the Democrats put forth.

I hope I am proven wrong, but my faith in America and my fellow citizens is certainly lower than it’s ever been.

I don’t see how he doesn’t get re-elected, excepting a recession or a botched disaster response. (Others have said this too, and I agree with it.)

Maybe its for the best. He is going to fuck shit up, of course, but the economy is going to hit the crapper sooner or later. If Rando-Democrat gets elected in 2020 and there is a recession right after they hit office, President Rando-D gets blamed for it. The Republican party, who’s “stay the fuck on message ability” is vastly more superior than the DNC’s, points to the recession and they get elected again.

The House Democrats are literally playing politics with the whole Mueller affair anyway, and people are seeing it. If they feel he should be impeached, they should just do it already, whether or not they are going to get the senate to convict. Its not supposed to matter if you are going to succeed if you are supposed to “do the right thing”. If they aren’t really doing it, then the trust isn’t there.

I thought Facebook was refusing to take it down. It’s “discredited” only if you subscribe to (like/follow) liberal groups on Facebook.

That’s the problem with Facebook. Every user’s experience is different. And mostly, our Facebook experience is determined by what advertisers want each of us to see. A Bernie supporter sees what advertisers want Bernie supporters to see. A Warren supporter sees something different.

For True Trump Believers, the Magic Isn’t Lost
From Orlando…

What delusional planet are these people living on? There’s more, but I can’t read any more. :frowning: <heart sinking>