[QUOTE=Cat Fight]
Don’t know if it has always been this way, but a womancan usually figure out which guys watch too much porn once she’s got him in the sack- the clichéd lines, the cunnilingus ‘for the camera,’ and the inability to understand why she hasn’t cum (and loudly) within five minutes… all dead giveaways. Hopefully most of them learn what real women like, but I imagine some of them, and some of their girlfriends, believe the ‘real life’ girls are the problem.
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Ok, see here is where I will concede expectations made by porn for some guys- though, I don’t think it is necessarily a detriment. Most men think all women can cum (and mind blowingly so) from good ol’ fashion sex.
Before I have sex with someone, I always tell them that I have never orgasmed that way and likely never will- just so we can all be on the same page and they can make other plans to give me my jollies. Usually, they all say, “Oh, come on! Every girl I’ve been with has.” To which I say, “Well, maybe you got lucky girls, but odds are they were faking, bud!” Then they get sad, but say, “Oh, well you just haven’t been with me yet, I can make you do it!” So I laugh, tell them to give it their best shot, but to also realize they’ve got to do a little somethin’ else, too.
Now, the thing is, they all have their expectations from porn that all women cum in an earth shattering manner from straight penatration- which simply is not anywhere near a fact (isn’t it something like only 10% of women can orgasm off of just that?). BUT, I’ve never had a guy refuse to do anything else or have an actual problem with it, just because that’s what they had previously expected. Frankly, part of me blames this problem on women who are clearly faking (there is NO WAY out of all the guys I’ve been with, EVERY girl they’ve been with other than me was able to cum like a porn star from penetration) more than I blame the porn.
Anywho, like I said, guys are more than receptive to change their ways and we always have fun, even though they had previously learned otherwise from porn (and probably lying girls).
And ya know, porn taught me that all penises are big and pretty. The real world has shattered my dreams in that regard :(.
[QUOTE=eleanorigby]
Tangential question: how does not wearing makeup equate to liberation? Or is that not the point of the anti-make up position? I wear minimal makeup, but don’t feel superior to those who wear more. Lots of women are very skilled at makeup and look fantastic. I’ve also never heard of a woman putting on makeup to look good for a guy-not even in my misspent youth…
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I think not wearing makeup equals liberation IF that is the woman’s choice. I think people wrongly assume that not wearing makeup means a person is liberated, but that isn’t necessarily the case.
And you’re totally right- most of us that wear makeup do it because, well, it’s fun and WE like it. Only once can I think of ever wearing my makeup a certain way for a guy- and that was because my boyfriend was fond of one particular way I did my eyeliner sometimes; so, for him, I did that type of eyeliner more often than the rest. I still liked my eyeliner that way though and if I didn’t, I wouldn’t have worn it that way regardless of how he liked it.
To me, liberation is the CHOICE to wear make up or not to wear makeup- without judgments from others about one’s femininity or even intelligence (I, often, am dismissed as a dingbat because I wear makeup, do my hair, have a Coach purse, etc.-- there are about 100 others reasons to consider me a dingbat, much for valid than those, thankyouverymuch! 
). Sadly, that time hasn’t come, as has been demonstrated in the thread. Some people are simply aghast that someone wouldn’t wear makeup, yet others are aghast that someone WOULD wear makeup.
Oh and, for what it’s worth: I see nothing wrong with the “Have you cum?” question. Sometimes I’m loud and crazy, sometimes I’m quiet- when I’m quiet, I’m glad you ask, it shows ya care.
