If we don’t prosecute Trump, why wouldn’t he, or some other politician, do it again? They might succeed next time and overturn an election. ISTM it would be wise for the country to ensure there are very, very serious consequences for such an incredibly dangerous and serious crime. Otherwise, we make it clear that politicians can do anything they want.
You seem to be supporting mob rule. I think countries should not decline to prosecute criminals because they are afraid of a mob.
I don’t think killing them all would be necessary as the brightest of them would take the hint after the first few rounds were fired.
No. These douchebags already pulled that shit on Jan 6, and the cops, requiring no tanks and having been beaten quite badly themselves, only shot and killed one douchebag.
So, we’re down to “We can’t prosecute Trump because Republicans are terrible people who will do terrible things.”
Sounds pretty banana republic-like already.
Maybe you’re right, and some of them will take the hint. Maybe you’re wrong, and none of them will. So I say: why not find out? What’s the harm?
Also…
And where were these douchebags when Mar A Lago was being searched by the FBI?
Nowhere?
That is correct.
If he does get arrested, I’m pretty sure they aren’t going to come in with a SWAT team, handcuff Trump and perp walk him out of Mar-a-Largo with the National Guard doing battle with hordes of supporters to clear the way and immediately throw him in jail and throw away the key.
And if Trump refuses to turn himself in and calls on his supporters to lay siege to Mar-a-Largo, probably the worst case is that the FBI waits a couple of weeks for the crowd to disperse, or picks them up one at time when they leave to get food or go to the bathroom - it’s not like Trump is going to let them come inside to pee.
But what will probably happen is that they’ll draft up the indictment, call his lawyers and Trump will come in with then, get quietly arrested and immediately released on his own recognizance, then the DOJ and his lawyers will try to work out some sort of deal while Trump bloviates and his supporters whine, then if they can’t plead it out, it might make it to trial in a year or so.
This is a pretty good summary of what I believe will happen, too. Although for charges this serious, I’m less certain about an OR release.
There won’t be a perp walk.
The board is doing just fine despite years of doomsaying and threats of revolt from those who think that they are too precious to follow the rules and, on a larger scale, so is the country. “You take on Trump and we’ll come after Hunter and Hillary” doesn’t sound like reason-it sounds more like cheap revenge.
Good point, there may be hefty bail and he’ll probably have to surrender his passport. But they they’ll still get him released quickly, he’s not going to be subject to pre-trial detention unless he actually tries to flee post-arrest.
Treating fascists with kid gloves is exactly how fascists eventually take over. This is not a legitimate democratic political movement. It is fascism. It needs to be out down. Hard. Like it has been in that past—usually way too late.
This thread has taught me that we have 2 major parties in the United States.
Democrats
Banana Republicans
What makes you think they won’t anyway? The thing that keeps Hillary and Biden from being indicted isn’t that doing so would break some Gentleman’s agreement. There isn’t a norm that they wouldn’t cross for political advantage. The reason they haven’t is that there isn’t anything that they could charge them with that wouldn’t get thrown out of court.
If the Democrats back away from the abyss the Republicans will just push the abyss forward. Playing nice with Republicans doesn’t convince them to play nice back, it just convinces them there are no consequences for pushing harder.
Or Isreal, or Italy, or South Korea…
In fact it this podcast suggests that the reluctance of the United States to hold its former presidents accountable for their illegal actions is and example of American exceptionalism.
So that’s it then. Politicians are above the law because prosecuting politicians for the crimes they commit might lead to retaliation. That’s great. Yeah, I’m sure having a ruling class effectively immune from prosecution will turn out quite well.
No, there won’t be. We saw this when he got raided on August 9th. There were, maybe, 50 people at MAL. There were no nationwide protests, only one act of violence (MAGA dork shooting at the FBI), and the only protest I saw at the local FBI office was…
Are you under the impression that Republicans aren’t going after Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden? That they’ve been holding back for the good of the country or something?
And whose fault would that be? So we can’t as a country address a former president who tried to install himself as a dictator and stole national security information because the GOP is childish and vindictive (rather like trump himself)?
I don’t think anyone in this thread said anything about wanting prisoners or trump in particular to be raped/abused in prison. You’re the one who brought that up, just to be clear.
I think trump would be fine in prison and able to be kept safe, but I think he and his lawyers will use it as an affluenza defense. It’s okay for run-of-the-milk prisoners, but not ME!
It’s also a false threat, as they have already come after Hillary and Hunter.
I think there’s no point anymore in stopping the US from looking like a banana republic, because we already do somewhat. No point in giving Trump a pass so that Republicans don’t indict Hilary and Obama and Biden, because they will anyway. And no point giving him a pass so the US people don’t come to mistrust elections, because we largely do already.
I do think Trump is above the law, because the law is only what politicians make of it, in the long term and the short. He shouldn’t be. I’d be very happy if they surprised me on this one.
Yes, any ordinary citizen doing the same things would be in jail already. Well, if they were white, they would. Equality under the law is not so much a goal anymore as it is a wish.