So Trump demands a pass on his behavior because it’s 11 years ago but Clinton doesn’t get a pass despite his behavior being 18 or more years in the past.
I was thinking along the same lines. Are people really shocked SHOCKED!! to learn this about Trump? Welcome to the world of NO INFORMATION voters…
This is why I worry about a contested election. It’s one thing if you have a single candidate who refuses to give up – he comes across as a sore losing jackass. There is pressure to preserve face for the team (the party) and to not make the entire party look unhinged.
This year? Unhinged is ‘in’. Large numbers of voters are willfully ignoring facts and creating a reality of their own instead. Moreover, the republican party itself has shown signs that it is divided along radical tea party and more traditional lines, and the latter seem to be losing.
Some state officials in key places, some House and Senate members could simply decide ‘We don’t accept the results.’ This is especially problematic if there are irregularities and hacking.
See, what gets me is – he knows it’s coming, right? I mean, he has to know. Heck, he already took the for-him-unprecedented step of apologizing for what he’d said, before (a) talking about what Bill and Hillary had done to women, and then (b) saying we’ll discuss this more in coming days; see you at the debate.
So I know that you know that he knows he’s going to get asked about this; that he’s even now rehearsing a response to give when it comes up at the debate; that pretty much his whole campaign is now presumably riding on whether he can deliver some transcendent answer when someone asks the obvious question on live television: one where he replies by admitting to bad behavior, and taking ownership of it – but doing so while doing his best to smoothly turn that in Bill Clinton’s direction; it’s a long shot, but it’s the only shot he’s got, right? So he’ll be as ready as he can be, waiting to pounce as soon as someone in the audience puts him on the spot.
So now imagine that doesn’t happen, because nobody asks him about it.
And now imagine that Trump brings up the issue of Clinton’s sexual history.
:eek:
Congress? There was an impeachment yanno.
Is this your first election? Seriously, nothing you are talking about is new, except the fact that the GOP is fracturing. That makes it LESS likely that the things you worry about will happen. A unified party can put up a concerted front. A fractured party? Well the losers can pout, but what significant group in the Senate is going to put their careers on the line to get Trump into office under questionable circumstances?
I guess that octopus is saying that Trump’s behavior is perfectly OK, because a previous President (and better yet, from the opposing party) did something similar. So two wrongs do make a right after all, apparently.
Is that correct, octopus? In your view, Trump gets an automatic pass because Clinton?
No it doesn’t. A unified GOP has been led by people I find generally reprehensible, but at least they have the brains God gave an iguana, and they know what kind of political suicide it’d be to contest an election like this. Those leaders keep the nutballs in check, shape a narrative in which they become the Loyal Opposition, in which violence and repudiation of democracy has no place.
With the GOP fractured, the nutballs won’t be in charge, but also nobody will be in charge of the nutballs.
My prediction:
- There will be at least half a dozen state- and local GOP elected officials who publicly declare this election invalid. (compared to previous years, where I don’t remember any, much less multiple, elected officials making such a declaration).
- There will be deadly shootings.
This doesn’t seem particularly likely, since the majority of states have Republican governors or Republican secretaries of states/election officials. Republicans would essentially be accusing other Republicans of either committing electoral fraud or not preventing/detecting it. Besides, since the Republicans are likely to keep control of the House of Representatives, such a voter fraud allegation would naturally call into question the legitimacy of their rule in the House and also raise the question of why someone would rig an election solely to win the presidency and not total control of Congress as well.
“The man’s a genius!”
You’re right, that would be a really dumb thing to do, wouldn’t it? Thank Christ the Tea Party didn’t get a spate of incredibly stupid assholes elected to state and local offices over the past half-decade.
I always find it bizarre what stuff in a campaign sticks and what things the public lets slide. The tape is hardly the worst thing to come out about Trump, and I’d argue it wasn’t even the worst thing that came out yesterday about Trump (I thought the Central Park 5 thing was a lot worse).
But its pretty clear it is going to be a big deal in the way past issues weren’t. Kelly Ayotte just un-endorsed Trump, as did several sitting House members.
I saw Trump’s apology this morning, and thought it was actually pretty good - right up to the point where he said “but Bill Clinton!!!”. He might have actually gotten some traction with his non-core supporters up to that point.
My guess is that he was reading from a script that stopped right before the mention of Clinton - and then he couldn’t resist ad-libbing.
Hmmmm, let’s see now… Womanizer or Felon? I’ll take the womanizer, thank you very much. And don’t ask what the female choice was ever convicted of. People observing reality from an objective standpoint understand what she did. It was just whitewashed by a liberal attorney general and boot-licking FBI director under pressure from the head of the establishment.
It’s just really sad this is the best our political system can come up with. Makes me ashamed to be a cirizen of this country.
Then don’t call her a felon. And explain why Trump isn’t in jail for tax evasion.
Good question. With the sexual assault he describes, I’d say he’s a Felon.
Actually, here you need to support your argument. If you can claim that Mrs. Clinton is a ‘felon’, you can easily explain what law or laws she has broken. Please do so.
You say ‘People observing reality from an objective standpoint understand what she did’. Again, it should be a trivial matter to state coherently what she did. Please do so.
Later, if you want, we can go into how Mr. Trump’s problem go far deeper than ‘womanizing’, but first things first.
Let’s clear up the choice.
Womanizer and felon, (sexual assault - I watched the video)
vs
Felon? (I missed that video, could you link to it please)