At about this time last year, I took some major grief for slamming Donovan McNabb. I thought it was a great trade for the Eagles, a mistake for the Redskins, and many SD’ers told me not only that I was wrong, but that McNabb would take the Redskins to the playoffs.
So, I’m officially gloating.
With that out of the way, where do you McNabb fans (and you know who you are) see Donovan F. McNabb playing football this year? I have heard a few rumors, but the most consistent rumor has him playing in Minnesota. Very few people have him returning to the Redskins.
Anyone know his contract situation? I thought he was still under contract with the Redskins for this season. If that’s true, then people are suggesting that the Redskins will cut him before the season starts (or trade him). I can’t imagine he has any trade value (if he did, he would have been traded during the draft). So, is he still technically a Redskin, and for you Redskin fans, will he be your starting QB this year?
Yeah, I thought this seemed familiar. You already started a thread in December where you claimed that you took major heat for saying McNabb wasn’t going to lead the Redskins to the promised land. It was fictional the first time around, and now that wasn’t even enough?
What you took “heat” for was the fact that your contribution to the discussion at the time of the trade began like this:
Which, in addition to being ripe for criticism on the grounds that what the fuck are you talking about, had the major flaw of being a response to a group of people which had shown no signs of even existing.
And ever since that post, you’ve been tilting at your imagined opposition. The people you’re gloating over have never existed on this board, which makes your point in starting multiple threads to revel in the fruits of your prophetic gifts somewhat hard to understand. It is hilarious, though. If those people have existed, please link to their posts. I’ve already linked to the threads you’ve, uh, reimagined, so there’s a head start.
No chance he is still with the skins this year. He’s only second to Haynesworth as the athlete locals want gone quickest. He didn’t work out for whatever reason so it’s time for him to go. No idea what the skins are going to do either. I guess Rex Grossman?!?
As far as McNabb I’m banking on Minnesota. He wouldn’t fit anywhere else IMHO.
Yes, I remember that thread in December, but since football season is around the corner, I figure I’d start a new one to get a new discussion started. I’m curious as to where folks are thinking McNabb will end up.
As for your other accusation, I literally have no idea what you are talking about. There were a LOT of McNabb supporters (you being one of them) that were wrong. In the scheme of things in life, no big deal. But I believe I was asked to have the balls to come back to the forum when I was proven wrong. I just happened to be right, so I popped back in December. I have not made up anyone. I don’t even know what you are trying to get at. But at this point, I don’t really care. As you can tell by my OP, I gloat for 5 seconds and then get on to the real subject at hand, ie where will he end up this year.
I have no problem with the post you linked to. I think I titled it “as I see it (**it **being the trade)” or something to that affect. It was my opinion of the trade at the time and how it would turn out for the Redskins. Nothing too complicated.
You still seem to hold a considerable amount of anger toward this subject and/or me. I’m sorry about that. Did you invest in a new Redskin McNabb fathead or something?
McNabb COULD be a starter somewhere this year (there certainly aren’t 32 better starting NFL quarterbacks), but Mike Shanahan would have to let that happen. And so far, he’s been acting more like a vindictive SOB than a rational coach/GM.
Shanahan has spent the better part of a year telling the world (in word and deed) that McNabb is absolutely no good, while simultaneously demanding the sun and the moon from teams that were interested in obtaining McNabb.
So, my guess is: Shanahan will cut McNabb (something he SHOULD have done ages ago), but he’ll wait until the very last second, after most other teams that MIGHT have wanted McNabb have already picked up a quarterback somewhere else.
Shanahan loathes McNabb and is determined to screw him over.
I’m not angry. I love these threads, and I’m glad you reminded me of the earlier ones. Even Cubsfan can’t stifle my enthusiasm.
I just wanted to point out again, since you started a thread about it again, that there were no people giving you major grief (or any grief) for saying that the Eagles wouldn’t be terrible and the Redskins wouldn’t be great. And there weren’t - this thing you keep saying you were right about is not something you were ever in an argument about. And it’s like any conspiracy theory: the more you hear it, the more you want to point out the flaws in it.
But so now I’ve said it, and you’ve said you don’t care, so I’ll stop interfering with your thread and contribute the way you asked: I think his career as any team’s chosen starting quarterback is finished, though he’ll probably be welcome to compete for several jobs, and his success from here on out will probably be determined by the circumstances he finds himself in. Which he’ll probably have very little control over, as astorian said.
As a Vikings fan, I’m a bit torn about him going to Minnesota. He’s obviously on the downside of his career, but he might have enough left in the tank for 1 more decent season.
I haven’t followed any speculative moves for the Vikings this offseason, but if they go back to playing the way they did in '07 and '08 (good running game, solid D), then he might be enough to make the Vikings a playoff team. My feeling is that as long as Peterson is healthy, the QB merely needs to be a threat. T-Jack wasn’t in the past. Favre was in '09, but not in '10. The schedule should be much easier than last year. The O-line needs to be better this year, and more production is needed from the D-line. He won’t make the Vikings better than the Packers, but in the playoffs, a team only needs to be better for a single game. If he gets anything more than 1 year (or 2+ with team options for each year after 2011), I’d be pretty disappointed. I like Christian Ponder, but I’m certain he won’t lead Minnesota to a 5th Super Bowl defeat this year.
I’m as big a McNabb supporter as there is on these boards and even I was welcoming his trade from Philly. I thought he’d do better in Washington, but then again, I also thought Washington traded for him in order to give him a chance. It certainly seems now that McNabb had soured the coaching staff against him and was sabotaged. I don’t think he was really given a fair shot. He absolutely still has a season or two at a Pro Bowl level left in him, but teams likely won’t give him a shot after last season, and if he does get one it likely won’t be in a position where he can excel. Which is a shame, considering the trash he played with in Washington and the nonsense Shanahan put him through. Par for the course, with everything he has gone through in his career.
So, McNabb to the Vikings. You know, I seem to remember another mobile(ish), former Eagles QB going to Minnesota somewhat recently. I think that turned out well enough at the time, a field goal away from the Super Bowl.
Dammit. I (for one) don’t want McNabb on my team. I agree with those who say he’s overrated (even though I’ll freely admit that he was also the only one getting a lot of those Eagles teams to the playoffs). And it’s a horrible symptom of the Vikings to get the new “up and coming” talented quarterback and then never, ever play him; never, ever develop him. Instead, we’ll bench him behind some old fart. It’s ludicrous.
Leaving aside SFP’s rejoinder to his imaginary friends …
McNabb seems like a pretty good placeholder. He’ll be functional enough to keep them from rushing Ponder in, but not so impressive that the team will be tempted to keep Ponder down. And his injury-proneness will create opportunities get Ponder on the field for game experience.
That (being field goal short of Super Bowl) is abject failure in Philly.
You guys STILL don’t understand what constitutes failure in Philly. You can go on and on about why it should or shouldn’t be considered failure, but it is failure. That’s reality in Philly.
McNabb is a league average starting QB who put up numbers similar to Rex Grossman in Washington. I’ve never been a big McNabb fan, but it wasn’t his fault the Redskins had a below average O line and WRs, not to mention a mind-bogglingly incompetent front office.
I think he’ll do very well in Minnesota. Washington’s offensive line was horrible last year, and McNabb no longer has the wheels to bail himself out. Minnesota’s offense line is excellent (though not as strong in pass protection as in run blocking), and McNabb won’t be spending as much time on his back as last year.
Minnesota also has Bernard Berrian and Percy Harvin. Washington had has-been Santana Moss and a bunch of never-weres. McNabb has always done well throwing to undersized, fast receivers, and he’s always been at his best throwing deep to speed guys like Berrian.
I don’t think he’ll be making the Pro Bowl, but I do think he’ll throw more than 25 TDs and fewer than 15 picks.
Just to nitpick, but if he has numbers as good as or better than 25/15, I think he’d be a lock for the Pro Bowl. The NFC is horrible when it comes to QBs. There’s Brees and Rodgers, but after that…Tony Romo, Eli Manning, Michael Vick, and Matt Ryan, and 2 of those are very overrated. Maybe Sam Bradford or Mathew Stafford will come on, but I defintely wouldn’t hold my breath on Stafford.
Josh Freeman threw 25/6 last season with rookie #1, 2 and 3 wideouts and only made the Pro Bowl as an alternate. Only three quarterbacks go to the Pro Bowl per conference; that means McNabb has to beat out Romo, Manning, Vick, Freeman and Ryan, and that nobody else improves (like Jay Cutler).
Wow @ Josh Freeman. I knew he had a nice season last year, but didn’t realize he did that well. I have no reason to think Romo or Eli would do anything special. Put them in Arizona, St. Louis, or Seattle, and no one thinks twice about how good they are.
/great, I’m starting to really talk myself in to thinking McNabb is The Answer
//ugh
