In the thread on New Zealand’s banning of the Christchurch shooter’s video, Hurricane Ditka was worried about the free-speech implications of a government banning speech. That’s a valid question to raise.
To phrase his concern, as he did, as claiming not to realize that New Zealand was such a “tyrannical shithole”; well, that’s when I decided he was a trolling shitweasel, and not worthy of engagement.
I’m not even talking about that thread. In an ATMB thread about connectivity issues, HD made his joke (about 2 days after shooting). He did so because dead Muslims are actually funny to him, being a white nationalist and all, and to get a rise out of the libtards. A mod tut-tutted at him.
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=872637
But he didn’t say any of that…that’s all subtext you are adding. The extent of what he said is:
That’s it. The Mod note was this:
That seems appropriate to the lame ass joke in a thread that is about something completely different…in fact, I’d say that the Mod COULD have dinged him for threadshitting, and that would have been fine. But all that stuff you are saying about dead Muslims being funny to him and the rest isn’t in there at all. If you need a translation for the lame joke, he seems to be saying (from the context and what is actually in the thread) that the reason for the slowness is New Zealand censorship affecting the whole web. Lame. Stupid. But nothing about the joy of killing Muslims or white nationalism or any of that other stuff…hell, the thread basically ends right after this exchange and the one from the Mod and the OP talking about the issue and saying it’s resolved.
I’m sure you can find better examples of what you are getting at than this…right?
In a poll requiring the responders to assume they are self centered sociopaths, most responders struggle with such a condition. Except our good pal ditka who has no problem “pretending” to be sociopath, and is butt hurt that he cant murder people more efficiently anymore, but not quite enough to blame Trump for it. Because hey, at least his taxes are lower!
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=874536
Ditka shows up in post #4
Three days after the shooting, he’s making his joke apropos of nothing. I’m sure if someone had shot up a Mormon church and bits of his daughter’s brains were still caked on the linoleum floor, it would be heelarios to make a joke about the incident. I’m sure that the fact that the victims were non-Christians and largely non-whites had nothing to do with it.
I’m also sure that if someone had shot up a Mormon church in Idaho and I had made a similar joke out of the blue, that I also would get a note.
Go back through all his posts. The recurring theme is that he’s a white nationalist shitbag. That subtext is clear. He’s knows enough to not admit it because he knows where he is a knows we think being a white nationalist shitbag is wrong. But he’s never really denied it. Defending him based one thread is missing the whole context of his time here.
Give the Mcveigh apologist the benefit of the doubt? Yeah, no. He probably jerked off into his magic underwear watching that video.
Welp, I came in here to see a troll contest, but now I am left with the image if crown prince Salman with a camel’s dick in his hand. Can’t win 'em all, I guess…
Wait, are you saying the OP of that thread had their daughter killed in the massacre? I didn’t get that from the thread either. Someone making off color jokes about tragic events, especially when he was specifically talking about the government there and censorship, not all that other stuff is…well, it’s fairly common on the 'dope. Black humor is fairly common as well.
I don’t know what would happen to you had you made a similar joke, presumably about the US government doing, something in relation to a killing of Mormons (that seems oddly specific?), but my WAG is, if you had been as obscure you probably would have gotten Mod attention and probably a similar slap on the wrist…and, like him, you’d deserve a Mod warning for thread-shitting. I don’t know why the Mods chose not to warn him for that, as his post had nothing to do really with the thread, but it also wasn’t anything like the narrative you are spinning. Like I said, perhaps there are other threads that have lead you to see the subtext I’m missing in all this…but the link you gave doesn’t show what you are saying.
I admit, I don’t follow HD. I’ve seen him post, but I don’t know if we’ve ever interacted that much. Generally, I’m more engaged with other posters in one way or another. I haven’t noticed trolling or white racism or Muslim hating glee or whatever. Certainly if he has actually been doing that stuff that would be grounds for banning him, as that stuff is specifically forbidden, even though it still happens. But the only links I’ve seen seem ambiguous to me, and mostly this seems a case of folks calling someone a troll because of a fundamental disconnect in world views. And when I click on a link purporting to show dastardly things I expect to see unambiguous nastiness…not lame and stupid jokes that are complete non-sequiturs and that the Mods should have warned because of the fairly obvious thread-shit.
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Go back through all his posts. The recurring theme is that he’s a white nationalist shitbag. That subtext is clear. He’s knows enough to not admit it because he knows where he is a knows we think being a white nationalist shitbag is wrong. But he’s never really denied it. Defending him based one thread is missing the whole context of his time here.
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Go back through his thousands of posts? I’m not that interested in the guy. I’m not defending him, either. What I’m saying is I, personally, haven’t seen any evidence of his doing the things he’s accused of thus far. He and I haven’t butted heads that I recall, though we might have…no idea. I don’t know that much about his posting history as I haven’t really followed it…I really just came in because I do know DrDeth so figured I’d see what that’s about. But, honestly, HD isn’t one of the posters I follow. For instance, if someone said in a thread that you were a troll, I wouldn’t have any idea how accurate that is or isn’t. I don’t know your posting history, and as far as I know, you and I have never butted heads. You probably have no idea who I am either, or my posting history. 
If they presented similar evidence that I’ve seen so far, I’d defend you if I happened to wander into the thread in exactly the same way. If you want to link to some things he’s said you think indicate he’s a troll, that would be great…I’m willing to take a look. If not, that’s cool too.
Fair enough. I wouldn’t want you to go back through all of anyone’s posts, let alone that shitbag’s. I certainly don’t want to go back through them just to find cites. But how about trusting those of us who have butt heads with him instead of spending the effort dissecting one thread just to say you dont see what we’re saying?
I stay out of GD and read Elections only sporadically, so I am probably missing a lot of both DrD and HD’s finest works. Outside those contexts, I am not sure either is trolling; I rather suspect they aree simply sharing their true personalities with us. But I’ll say this for Hurricane Ditka - at least, from what I’ve seen, he offers an opposing point of view, at least sometimes giving reasons, and therefore something to think about. Assholes who force you to examine your assumptions and verify that yes, you can indeed defend what you believe in, are a better class of assholes.
DrDeth, on the other hand, has always struck me as the kind of person who will come into a thread just to be disagreeable. Why look, here is is now, obstinately refusing to accept that RSVP’ing a party invitation is simply good manners and consideration for the person who invited you.. That thread perfectly sums up my overall impression of his/her personality.
Anyway, I’d rather have a beer (or wine in my case) with HD than DrDeth.
That’s fine. I’ll drop out at this point as. I did look at the other links in the thread btw, except the camel penis one…that seemed like brain bleach territory, and some things are better left unclicked on…
But that is a thread in IMHO. He offered his opinion. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t make him a troll.
HD is just a hateful far-right asshole who enjoys pulling everybody’s chain and seeing how far he can push the limits without being censured and banned. It’s enjoyable watching the fireworks when he miscalculates, so he’s been quite adamant in his demands for “bright-line rules” to facilitate his efforts.
DrDeth I’ve had very limited exposure to as I tend not to read his posts. But I have had the misfortune to engage with him a few times on gun issues, which I would not recommend to anyone because it’s bad for one’s health, particularly for those subject to high blood pressure.
He only has about three hackneyed talking points – all standard NRA-issue – which he probably keeps on a laminated card in his wallet, and uses as a response to everything. One of them, and the one he used when I finally decided I was doing arguing with this mentally defective fuckwit, is that it’s awfully unfair and incorrect to suggest that the US has such high rates of gun violence, since there are many fine countries that are so much worse. DrDeth is pleased to cite notable fine peaceful countries like Somalia, Honduras, Yemen, and the wilds of Mexico ravaged by drug cartels as counter-examples. Don’t try to tell him that these places are not economically or societally equivalent to the US, or he will call you a bigot to your face.
Oddly enough, gun issues are one of the things that HD and DrDeth would totally agree on, although HD probably has at least a dozen NRA talking points, and might even be able to think up a few more all by himself, especially if they were offensive and spectacularly, annoyingly false.
Suppose you accidentally watched some camel porn. If you liked it, pretty much have to kill yourself, wouldn’t you?
See, now THIS thread does seem to be a troll to me…and I’m fairly sympathetic to the meta-argument. The OP of this thread should have used the link thread and I probably would have nodded and just moved on.
(sorry, said I was gone but now HD is on my radar and just saw the thread…it’s a total cluster fucking train wreck. I hate gotcha threads, generally)
I get the impression that DrDeth takes contrarian positions in order to get people to interact with him. If I’m right, I hope he finds better alternatives because the interactions he gets here can’t be that satisfying.
Have you read that whole thread?
DrDeth goes from inventing the idea that Kamala Harris said Prop H was legal to convincing himself that it is so obvious that Kamala Harris signed off on the legality of Prop H that anyone who questions that is arguing in bad faith.
The hilarious thing is that thread, which DrDeth is currently hijacking, was started by bachelor #2, HurricaneDitka. I haven’t read the whole thread, but it looks like Ditka has fled the scene. So I guess DrDeth wins the cage match?
Agree totally. I don’t think that’s trolling, just revealing an unpleasant personality. As I said in my post, “I’m not sure either is trolling.”
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