It may have been under that assumption, maybe not. Probably they just wanted a receiver who would get them over the hump, as they’d been lacking a real ace WR. And that’s what Owens did.
On another note, the Raiders still wanted Randy Moss…
He may remain popular, valuable however, I have doubts. His behavior so far this year indicates he’s going to be precisely the same poison he was in San Francisco. Go back and re-read my post, he’s already on the same course he was in SF. Hell by his own words he doesn’t think there is anything the Eagles could do to repair the relationship. You’d have to be a damn fool looking at his track record and signing TO to anything but a one year contract.
Which just goes to prove there ar damn fools out there 
Seriously, Moss is a different sort of animal where Davis is concerned, though I agree he’s been a known asshat on occassions. He fits that deep downfield threat Al Davis prefers his offenses to have. Sometime in the past TO would have benefitted from a coach who made it clear he wasn’t going to take crap off of him. Maybe that coach is out there somewhere.
Nor I in Pittsburg.
Shove it up your ass, prick. They were AA batteries.
As I said, “some of his escapades in SF could be seen as meant in fun (Sharpies, Pom-Poms) and the problems with Garcia & Mariucci could be seen as a he-said/he-said.”
People are often willing to give you another chance; they are less likely to give third and fourth chances. It was at least plausible for him to claim a year ago that it was not all his fault, that SF was a bad situation, he needed to be on a winner, etc. Plenty of guys in the past have benefitted from just such a fresh start and become model citizens.
When you screw the pooch a second time, a year after having been given every single thing you asked for, there are no excuses.
Again, I’m not saying he’ll never play again; I am saying that his market value is drastically and permanantly reduced.
What he’s thinking may not correspond to what he’s saying, since he’s trying to negotiate.
All he and his agent would have to do is say “We want more than one year” and I think someone would do it.
Which is why someone else will also want Owens.
Between Moss hitting that cop with his car, walking off the field, “I don’t try every play” and the smack he talks, I’m not sure how different they are. How do you figure?
I heard D. You say AA.
An assault is an assault. A battery is a battery. [Pun intended]. :rolleyes:
Wow. That makes all the difference in the world. :wally
Wow. I was probably serious, too.
For what it’s worth, I figured you were kidding Jimmy. 
T.O. ain’t coming to the Marriuci coached Detroit, though I doubt that even he could make the team much worse than they’ve been. 
I’m not sure he is thinking, the Eagles hold his carreer in their hands. If they keep suspending him or benching, he’s in the same position this time next year, less a lor of cash.
You may be right, I wouldn’t try writing any checks anytime soon though. It’s a foregone conclusion hes playing in Philly (or not) and no where else this year, next year he’s 33, after maybbe not playing a season. Philly has nothing to gain by caving into TO except 51 more malcontents.
But see that where Owens and Moss differ. You didn’t see Moss belittling his coaches and QB either, in fact off the football field TO is a saint by comparison. Remember Moss’ coments were in relation to plays he knew were not going to him, that’s a big difference than TO actively sabotaging plays he’s directly involved in, ymmv. I don’t reember the walking off the field incident, care to fill me in?
I know which guy I wouldn’t want in my locker room, in fact I said so his last year in SF on this board.
They won’t. They’re not going to give him $7 million to sit there, they’d be hurting themselves too much. If they cut him, he’ll end up somewhere else making money. If they trade him, same deal, potentially with a raise.
As I say, he’s not sitting out this year. The Eagles don’t hold all the cards. There’s a salary cap in football and they’re not going to flush that much of it down the toilet. They’ll need to use that money to replace him if they can’t use him, because they have very little else at his position.
If he won’t play, the worst move they could make would be keeping him. Waiting a year would cost them money and reduce his trade value, and if they’re going to lose him, they’ll want something back. If they can’t get a good offer, maybe they’ll cut him, save the money, and he’ll go somewhere else. In the end, keeping him and benching him would serve nobody’s interests.
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Philly has nothing to gain by caving into TO except 51 more malcontents.
Except a star wide receiver who they need. In the end, in sports and maybe in life too, bad people get their way sometimes. The players probably know the system.
He left the field with a couple of seconds to go in the loss to Arizona that ended their '03 season. Arizona had scored a TD to take the lead with a few seconds left, and I’m not sure if the Vikings offense got the ball, but he left immediately.
What money? If they cut him now, it’ll be a $6 million cap hit from the accelerated bonus penalty, so that’s a $2.5 million relative hit. (They spend $3.5 million on him this year if they don’t cut him.) Next year, his salary+bonus will be $7 million, but cutting or trading him will accelerate the cap penalty, which will be $5 million, making it a “measly” $2 million dollar swing. The Eagles basically married him for three years when they offered the contract they did.
He walked off as they were lining up to try an onside kick.
And if they want to spend that money on a guy who isn’t playing, they can. But I don’t think they will. The only benefit is the intangible “he’s a poison” thing, and teams win in spite of that sometimes. I find it impossible to believe they will repeat their success from last year without Owens, and certainly without even a replacement for him.
Thanks for that. They might have liked to put him on their ‘hands’ team on that play.
First his salary is 3.5 this year with a few incentives. Most of his 49 million figure came via the 9 million signing bonus which the Eagles can get back under the “detrimental to the tean” clause. That’s why cutting him would be stupid. The bettter solution is to suspend him. Although he’d be eligible for an appeal, TO has zero deniability in such a case seeing as it’s been very public.
Much of which they can get back from TO. The Eagle have all the cards, if TO doesn’t play at least 60% of the season he might as well have played none, because under NFL rules it would be like he played none and he’d still be in the second year of his contract next year, not the third. Granted under this scenario, they’d have to suspend TO rather than benching him, wanna bet Reid and Banner know this and counted on it?
See above. It’s totally whithin the Eagles rights to suspend him and fine him. He loses game pay, plus they can get their (prorated for this year) signing bonus back, plus it’s like this season never happened. Trading him, get’s TO what he wants and cost the Eagles in cap money. That’s not gonna happen under Reid/Banner. Better to sit him on the bench unhappy and deal with him next season where fuckall has changed.
I see Ellis Dee answered that, I have to look up the particulars of that game. I agree it’s poor sportsmanship if nothing else. What season was that?
Last year. It may have been the last straw for the Vikings before they traded him to the Raiders.
Stuffy is more knowledgeable about this situation than I am. (I thought it was a $7 million bonus.) My point was that unless they go after him for “conduct detrimental to the team”, there is no money for the Eagles to save. If he doesn’t play, the Eagles have two choices: spend $3.5 million against the cap to let him rot on the bench (ala MeShawn Johnson), or spend $7.7 million by cutting/trading him. If they trade him, add in the cost of the new guy’s salary.
It was the year before. Last season, the Vikings made the playoffs. The game was in December '03.
No, it was last season. The game you’re thinking of was the season finale in 2003, where the Vikings simply had to win to get in. The Cardinals simply had to lose to get the #1 overall pick. The few Arizona faithful, god bless them, brought signs saying “Screw the draft, get the win!” The Cardinals did not disappoint, winning the game with a TD pass as time expired. (Possibly on fourth down.)
Last season, Randy walked off the field, and did the mooning thing at Green Bay soon after. I’m having trouble finding cites for any of this, but I did notice this game recap:
This was in week 15 of last year against the Lions. So, if I’m remembering correctly, Randy walked off the field during an onside kick attempt, and then later that same season, actually recovered an onside kick. So yeah, they probably really wanted him in there against Arizona. heh.
So looks like you just mixed up season finales. Better than me; I thought it happened in the middle of the season. It had to be last season, because 2004 was the first season the Vikes made it back to the playoffs since Kerry Collins pushed their shit in in the conference finals.
So it’s even worse than I thought. In week 15, Randy recovered an onside kick to help his team win. Two weeks later, he walked off during an onside kick. Then the next week he mooned the crowd. Nice. (I really thought the mooning thing happened during the regular season…I think the weed is starting to catch up with me.)
The nuclear option of just suspending him, and not trading or even releasing him, is definitely on the table. I’ve seen it mentioned in several places. It would basically mean he can never play in the NFL again until he does his year with the Eagles at his 2005 salary.
And every time I think of it, I imagine Joe Banner putting on his top hat and going all Gene Wilder:
Grandpa Drew: I was just wondering about the chocolate. The lifetime supply of chocolate? For T.O.? When does he get it?
Joey Banner: He doesn’t.
Grandpa Drew: Why not?
Joey Banner: Because he broke the rules.
**Grandpa Drew: ** What rules? We didn’t see any rules, did we, T.O.?
Joey Banner: Wrong, sir. Wrong. Under section 37B of the contract signed by him, it states quite clearly that all offers shall become null and void if - and you can read it for yourself in this photostatic copy - “I, the undersigned, shall forfeit all rights, privileges, and licenses herein and herein contained,” et cetera, et cetera…“Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum,” et cetera, et cetera…“Memo bis punitor delicatum.” It’s all there, black and white, clear as crystal. You stole fizzy lifting drinks. You insulted our Quarterback, who now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing. You lose. Good day sir.