Here is an excellent overview of the origins of Islamic Terrorism, focusing on Yasser Arafat:
“Terrorism’s Godfather” - by Aaron Mannes
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/mannes200411110933.asp
Just being real, Pal. Can’t handle the truth? not my problem.
Not my problem anyways, but whatever. I have absolutely no problem with Muslims and haven’t yet condemned “much” of anyone’s society/religion/people/culture based on what really amounts to 30 years of actions. If outsiders judged white christian males based on the last two thousand years, they’d obviously think there was no hope for us at all.
So fuck off with your sarcasm. It’s energy better spent on introspection.
Sam
Sometimes insults are the only way to deal with the level of stupidity that is being displayed. And, my God, there are some twattish things that have been posted in this thread.
Gum, the last thing I’m looking for is popularity. I’ve never tried to be a *popular doper * and I really don’t see how starting this thread would make me popular. As far as my understanding as to what is going on in your country I’ll admit it is limited to what I can read in the NY Times and on BBC online. But blowing up a school is pretty much the same where ever you go. Not much gets lost in translation there.
WeRSauron’s comments are what I’m looking for but you know what? That’s not how Muslims should act. That is how all people should act. Christians should not let radical fundies take over Jesus either. I dont know if there are radical fundie Quakers but if there are, I agin’ em.
You can’t see the difference between killing someone by accident, even if one don’t give a shit one way of the other, and going out and deliberately killing someone. Seems to me the difference is between premeditated and accidental murder and in regular cases about ten years. I say, there is a big fucking moral gulf one has to cross before standing face to face with a human being on his knees begging for his life one can whip out a knife and decapitate him. Planting a bomb in an empty building in cover of darkness, is besides being cowardly, a whole other cup of coffee.
And it’s not like that school is your average Sunday school either. Not that it makes it alright, but Nazi Hitler-Jugen summer camp is more like it. It teaches a hateful, misogynic ideologue that would have been considered barbaric in the middle ages, sponsored by the fundamentalist al-Fourqaan Islamic Center, which also oversee the al-Fourqaan mosque. The al-Fourqaan Islamic Center is known for its Islamists seminars which has been frequented by amongs others Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ramzi Binalshibh some of whom you might have heard about afterwards. Meanwhile the mosque as part of the daily communion preach a strict, orthodox interpretation of Islam imported wholesale from Wahhabist Saudi Arabia – and, as Zebra alluded, a strict policy of non-integration into Dutch society. Incidentally the mosque has also been known as a meeting place for several known suicide bombers. In addition, the mosque has hosted several large European wide extremists seminars based on absolute segregation from non-believers, blame-the-US (…but I guess that’s none of your problem Sam. Huh?), blame-the-Jews (…still non of your problem) etc. e.g. the standard fare of Islamism. Those are the people who run the school. It should have been closed by the law, not bombed by cowardly terrorists.
The Truth is for believers Sam, but if you have anything to say, besides personal self congratulatory aggrandizement and back-clapping lets have at it. If not why not leave the problems to those with an interest to confront them rather than ignore them.
THat’s a whole lot of justification of your position. Let me point out that it is an accidental death in response to a purposeful, willful display of hate and retribution. Not one, two of them now.
Please find me an article stating all of that. I read an article several days ago that didn’t mention any of this misogyny, ideology, nazism, or anti-american sentiment. And no, it’s none of my problem as people are allowed to be as anti-american as they wish.
Self congratulatory aggrandizement and back-clapping? you sir, are a moron. Not only did you string a bunch of words that mean exactly the same fucking thing together, but I have done none of that here. I understand that you disagree with me, but the ignorance and lack of tolerance shown in this thread is pretty nauseating.
Judging by some of the responses from people who have “an interest in it”, the problems won’t be solved soon at all.
Sam
The best you can do Sam? Color me underwhelmed.
And what position would that be you think I have. I’ve called it reprehensible, cowardly and terrorism. But I don’t accept destroying empty buildings is in the same league as murdering someone – especially when murdered in such a sadistic way. Your tally is off.
What the fuck do you care?! It’s none of your problem remember.
I’ve seen others, but I’ll be damn if I’m gonna go dig cites for an idiot who don’t give a shit anyhow.
With idiots and children sometimes it helps to repeat the message several times in the same sentence – you, however, seem to be beyond reach. And for all your gnashing and whining you have yet to go for the ball.
Just out of curiosity (– for tomorrow), what sentence of mine in particular do you find was bigoted, ignorant or intolerant (perhaps excepting one which I fucked up).
Originally posted by Gawd
Maybe the people who have “an interest in it” are in the middle of this shit and would love to have it solved.
Maybe people who live far, far away and don’t know a thing about the Netherlands ought to just shut the fuck up with the silly and outdated PC talks.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somalian born ex-muslima and member of our parliament, who was supposed to be the victim and to whom the letter, stabbed in Theo van Gogh’s stomach, was adressed says this:
Hirsi Ali cries out today, “I’m grieving . . . but I’m also angry, that he is dead and I’m alive. I know I’m alive because I have personal protection and he didn’t.”
“I am angry,” she added, “because I know that the perpetrator is not alone. He is a member of a network of Muslims who are deeply wrapped up in their belief who walk around with intentions to kill innocent people.”
Hirsi Ali, who’s now a member of Dutch parliament, warned that “the Dutch authorities . . . have to realize that radical Islam and its supporters have established themselves in the Netherlands” and “the Muslim population, which must learn to see the unsightly birthmarks of its own religion . . . must realize that its disadvantages are not so much a function of a weakened belief in God, or of discrimination, as the radicals would have it, but partly of their own doing.”
http://www.philstar.com/philstar/News200411122602.htm
My tally? My tally is that the particular Dutchman who did these acts is too much of a fucking coward to do it when occupied.
Intellectual fucking curiosity, you cuntrag. And no, it still makes no difference. I still see Dopers in here calling entire groups of people out and condemning the whole “blank” world for the actions of a few. I still see cowardly, childish acts of retribution by the Dutch. And I still see our EU neighbors making the same mistakes we have made and continue to make, and well, it’s disconcerting, to say the least.
Right. That’s why you redundantly mentioned(incorrectly, I might add), that I was patting myself on the back, congratulating myself, for…something(?) in this thread. I still have no idea of your aim with that gay ass comment.
There must be a specific sentence in there that expresses a racist/bigotted attitude/belief system? Reread your posts and I’m sure the overall theme won’t leap out at you, but it’s easily discernible to me.
Sam
Well, coming from an American who’s had people of every race, color, creed, national origin and religion up in my shit for the last 3 years, I don’t give much of a rat’s ass if you don’t like my opinion because I’m an outsider. Fuck, keep your “nederlanders only” whines confined to a Netherlands only messageboard.
…and if you think this is “outdated PC talks”, and not genuine outrage that a group of small-minded motherfuckers like yourselves decided to issue blanket condemnation for a whole group of people-Muslims of every country, Islam as a religion, the cultures that span the globes and are different from country to country, you’re fooling yourself.
I’m a fucking Jew for crying out loud. It’s in my best interest to hate Muslims. I’m an American, it’s also in my best interest to support their elimination and hate Muslims. Unfortunately, if you look at what is the largest religion and group of people in the world-Muslims, and you take into account the number of people involved in these groups of radical ideologues, that a label like “barbaric” or “insert insult here”, just doesn’t fucking stick.
Sam
Your post just highlights your own ignorance. :rolleyes:
Unfortunately your whole post doesn’t fucking stick, you sorry scrotum.
No-one is blaming a whole religion, asstit. That’s what the crazy fucks who SO want to be popular make of it.
We’re blaming the terrorist who slaughtered van Gogh. We’re blaming the terrorist who burned the islamic school, we’re blaming the terrorist who burned down the christian school and the non-religious one and we’re blaming the terrorist who blew up a church.
And I blame you and several other overly PC posters on this board for giving these terrorist the idea that it isn’t so bad what they’re doing.
I’m not a fucking Jew. [I wish I was, though. Fucking must be better than posting here. 
] I don’t hate muslims. I hate extremists.
Tally is off because more than two buildings have been targeted.
ahh… well I’m overjoyed to be at your service then. However, for some there’s a little more at stake than a piqued intellectual fucking curiosity.
….and the topic was Dopers calling entire groups of people out and condemning the whole “blank” (the Dutch for instance) world for the actions of a few?
I’m not overly devastated but I think there’re probably some in here who’ll take exception to this slur.
bah… You’re an idiot and I’ve got a specific sentence to prove it. And it’s right there.
Nobody is doing that you dimrod. this is the third thread you’ve come out with this shit and the third thread where NOONE has said anything like what you say. Put up or shut up.
[my last post was to GaWd :: giggle:: ]
Please re-read this thread.
No thanks. I’ve had enough of the silly people today.
Rune and gum. You two have got to be the biggest dumbasses I’ve ever debated here.
Rune- You can twist every post around to your heart’s desire. All I can really say to your last post except for giving in and trading back and forth, line by line with you is :rolleyes: There’s really nothing else to say to your last post. I’ve tried. It’s impossible.
Christ. Good luck, EUers. Looks like you all have a long row to hoe.
Sam
Likewise, I’m sure, Gawd. Màn, you’re a nincompoop.
This is what my liberal [and that’s a whole lot more liberal than the American ‘liberal’] government thinks:
Dutch lawmakers accused the government Thursday of underestimating the threat from Islamic terrorists and failing to protect a filmmaker slain by a suspected Muslim radical.
Jozias van Aartsen, leader of Balkende’s Liberal allies, urged the government to close mosques where imams preach violence, shut down Web sites that spread antidemocratic ideas and beef up the intelligence services.
“The Netherlands used to be an island of decency and tolerance,” he said. “Not all Muslims are terrorists … but there are a large number of terrorists in this world that feel attached to an identity as Muslim. They want to destroy us.”
No-one claims all muslims are terrorists. It’s just you itty-bitty silly persons who read that. I wonder why? Have a inferiority complex much?
I’m off to bed. Don’t forget your last word. It’s yours And have a lovely day.
What did the mosques do? If people are preaching violence and you have laws against that, then arrest them, prosecute them. I don’t see how closing a building will help. And I’d be suprised if the websites are based in the Netherlands and the government has any jurisdiction, sounds like the guy’s talking out of his arse.