So, Excalibre, you bitch about not getting any apologies:
I see it, and acknowledge and apologize:
And yet I still get sniped at, for no reason that I can see.
Well, OK. I get it. You just want to whine about not getting apologies, but when you actually get one, you choose to ignore it.
Actually, you’d be wrong here. There are many people here whose worldviews I disagree with. THere is only one whose behavior I believe to be worth Mod-eration.
My posts in that thread were an attempt to show, not why EC should be Mod-erated, but specifically in response to his contention that the ONLY reason someone might have to objecting to BDSM was prudery; that there was no other possible explanation.
See the two different subjects that you seem to be conflating? EC’s behavior, and reasons for not being a BDSM enthusiast. THe first, concrete and germaine to the thread; the second, an abstract tangent, meant only to rebut EC’s simplistic view of martyrdom at the hands of the ignorant.
I hope I’ve made myself a little clearer here. I should have opened a different thread, in that older thread, rather than chance the conflation of the two discussions.
But again, if you can find me one other example of where my disagreement with a Doper’s *worldview *has led me to suggest Mod-eration of their behavior, I’ll address it. Absent that, perhaps you can see the distinction, still, between EC’s worldview, which I don’t share but would never censor, and his behavior, which is the only thing I’ve addressed in this context.
See how easy it is to conflate the two?
Yes!
Please & Thank you.
Don’t worry about me; I am barely in this thread. I said my point of view and Lissener arguing over what Maureen really meant is somewhat boring.
If by any weird chance something new comes up I will post again but even Kimera’s post did not refocus the thread.
**For the Record: **
Who Posted?
Total Posts: 257
User Name Posts
Excalibre 37
lissener 31
Lute Skywatcher 15
Maureen 13
Ensign Edison 12
duffer 9
Q.E.D. 8
Binarydrone 7
Operation Ripper 6
Guinastasia 6
Larry Borgia 6
What Exit? 6 {now 7}
By the way, Lissener does come off Shrill. My usage might not be the correct one or the same as Maureen’s. I mean when he is caught up on a single point and continues to go on about it, instead of sounding like the intelligent poster he is most of the time, he sounds Shrill to my ears. {If you will pardon the use of Ears for a message Board}
Jersey Jim
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I don’t see where I promised to accept your apology. It was awfully half-hearted (it went something like this: I shouldn’t have said that - it’s just that you were such a jerk in another thread that I felt compelled!) Besides, while I’m not even sure whether you insulted me personally, you made a lot of posts with the ridiculous assertion that people who didn’t like Evil Captor’s behavior were prudes - which means you indirectly insulted me quite a number of times - not to mention stubbornly clinging to an idiotic belief in spite of plenty of evidence to the contrary. I guess in your mind, one half-hearted apology, and that’s all gone, and I’m obliged to make nice with you now?
Besides, at this point I frankly just don’t like you. You were quite the bitch during that whole pitting and afterwards. In such a consistent manner that it’s tainted the thought of you. I don’t see why I should have to pretend to like you just because you made one half-hearted apology.
Do you want more hugs?
Heh. Interesting, but from my vantage point, it would appear that where lissener posts once, he’s just as likely to post 20 or 30 times. Guin posts a minimum of 6 times in every thread in every forum. Between the two, they can suffocate rational discussion like a hail of damp cotton.
And in any case, I’m NOT suggesting that the responses to EC aren’t complex and non-monolothic: my argument in this LUDICROUS tangent has simply been that THAT’S NOT WHAT MAUREEN MEANT with her sarcastic hyperbole.
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Okay, thanks for explaining. It’s less weird now, though I don’t think of him as shrill or even a drama queen, though that may be, as they say, because it takes one to never notice anyone else being one because it’s all about MEEEEE
Er, sorry.
As for the nature of the Pit thing, don’t get me wrong. I wasn’t pitying him. I just like to jump in on the losing side. Maybe I’m a masochist.
;j
Sigh. No, I don’t really care if you accept it or not, but you could have at least asked me what I really meant. I wasn’t giving you a half-hearted apology. Let me repeat it.
In other words, whether you were unjustified in that other thread or not, it was only my opinion. And I still should not have let my feelings carry over to the **EC ** thread. And to be honest, when I was making my comments about prudes, I wasn’t even thinking about you but the person who made the *first * thread.
It seems you have stipulations on your apologies. That they must fit your requirements. I even said it was a meager defense; I never claimed I was justified in making it!
Still, I kind of already got the feeling that you were not inclined to get over it. I don’t think you’re “obliged to get over it”. All I’m asking is to not be dragged into yet another thread which I haven’t participated in one way or the other - except to apologize to you. I’ve kept my mouth shut, so please leave me out of it.
This thread is moving too fast for me. Apparently I completely agree with Maureen though.
Jim
Excalibre, So, are you saying that you have an irrational hatred for people that are into bondage? Can you clarify? 
I tend to get tenacious when trying to get somemone to consider the possibility that they’re not as right as they think they are. 
Lissener is in one of his pit moods where he has decided he is right and he won’t accept that anyone else’s view is a viable option unless they agree with him.
This thread will eventually die out and he will recover and go back to his very thoughtful and insightful posts in the Cafe.
In the meantime, arguing with him won’t end up making a difference to him.
Jim
Which is what usually happens whenever I try get someone to consider that they might not be as right as they think they are. I still engage the practice, though, if only to have it serve as an example to those who come later.
Ok, I’m going to end my hijack. One last thing, which I don’t think came clear:
Ex, I am not sorry for what I said, but I am most definitely sorry for the way I said it. You’re right that it was nasty and bitchy and I’m really contrite about that. I should have said it calmer and listened to what you guys had to say, too. Whether you care or not, that’s your lookout, though.
I won’t be checking this thread anymore. Bye.
Sigh. I have acknowledged the other views. I have only said that I don’t agree with them. I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m just saying they haven’t convinced me. End of story.
I prefer keeping my fantasy life off of the board. I only mentioned it because, once again, I am being called a prude who just needs to get into BDSM. If you had read the threads then you would have understood that.
Yep, it was the Deathstalker thread and it was his graphic discription of a woman being sexually assulted that I found reportable. If he had a put a little warning before it then I would have had no problem with it. I liked the rest of the thread a lot and only reported one post that I thought went over the line. I don’t come to this message board for my sexual kicks. There’s thousands of other, better places I can go to for that and I don’t think that it is appropriate on this message board.
It works sometimes. It really does. I just don’t have the time to include the cites.
I know **Campion ** got me to see reason in a early pit thread and I checked **FinnAgain ** once when he overreacted to something in a pit thread and I have seen many others where people agree to disagree and wish each other luck. I think **Lissener ** will even admit that he gets very single minded sometimes. When he knows he is right, he will not give an inch. (No matter how many people try to tell him he was wrong. 
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Jim
No, you didn’t disagree with me. First you accused me of doing something I didn’t do, then you tried to insinuate your perception as my opinion, THEN, when I explained you were wrong, you called me a liar. That’s not disagreeing.
Well, my prudery started when when a grizzled old schoolmarm beat me with a ruler when she found me looking at an old Playboy I discovered on the playground. Also, my mother used to slap me if I spent too long in the bathroom - I learned to eat plenty of fiber, let me tell you! Plus there was the time when a group of nuns tied me up and whipped me for hours to chase the evil thoughts away. I’m grateful now, as they succeeded, and my mind is pure as the driven snow. And so I want to share my success at ridding my mind of the pure eeeevil that is sex with the rest of you. And I want to do that by censoring Evil Captor and punishing him for acting as though sex is something for adults to enjoy, rather than a duty to be discharged with tightly-shut eyes and clenched teeth in order to propogate the species.
Irrelevant. You tarred a whole lot of us with your broad brush.
It’s not that it has to “meet my requirements”. It’s that I don’t feel any inclination to forgive you. Rather than read the thread and evaluate people’s arguments, you decided to jump right in and “team up” with the sexual libertine - no doubt partially out of a desire to continue cultivating your image as the SDMB’s naughty little sex kitten. I don’t like that sort of teaming up at the best of times, but when you continued for quite some time making snide little comments about those who happened not to like Evil Captor’s “contributions”, just because you decided you were on his “side”, it struck me how immature your approach to the whole thing was, and how unwilling you were to even listen to anyone who disagreed (as evidenced by the way you continued to suggest that we were all poor, pitiable prudes long after it should have been clear to you that those who didn’t like what Evil Captor was doing were not motivated by prudery.
You joined up with one “side” and played a major role in turning that thread into some stupid little war between the prudes and the libertines rather than what was intended - a discussion of whether it’s okay for Evil Captor to continually hijack threads to talk about his own little sexual fantasies. You ignored all the times when it was made clear that the “prudes” were not motivated by prudery at all, and continued to suggest it afterwards. You were a complete asshole about the whole thing for quite some time. And that’s why one meaningless little “I’m sorta sorry” that appears just to be motivated by the fact that your “side” isn’t winning this “battle” doesn’t mean much to me.
Why shouldn’t you get dragged into it? You were no stranger to the other threads on the subject - you got your share of digs in at me and those who agreed with me, at any rate - so even if you’re not bothering this time around, I don’t see why you feel you have some special right for your name not to be mentioned. It’s not like I’m bringing you up in a totally irrelevant thread - you did offer a condescending post suggesting the rest of us get over it and try out bondage for ourselves. Different thread, but same subject matter, and your shitty behavior in the other ones is of the same (limited) relevance here.