No offense intended, but I don’t like your vote analysis method, Pleo. I believe that it doesn’t work well because you weight your calculations with your own assumptions. If your assumptions are wrong, your analysis will be wrong. And if you are truly Town with as little knowledge as Town normally has, I believe your assumptions will always be at least partly wrong. (Remember when you died in SDMB Mafia, I was your #1 suspect, but I was Town. The rest of your analysis in that game was equally off the mark, IIRC). And if your assumptions are scummy, your analysis will be scummy, as we’ve seen.
That said, I do think colored vote lists and vote analysis can be extremely useful tools, and I use them when I play to try to point me in the right directions. I don’t think such analyses can be definitive, but they can be indicative, and help start discussion on certain players and/or shore up an already existing case against a suspect.
With the caveat that I’m not paying very close attention anymore, I changed my mind on brewha based on amrussell’s defense from and attack on brewha’s case against amrussell. amrussell pointed out valid points of why brewha’s case is weak. I agree on the weakness, but I don’t attribute weakness to scum-ness. I think it more likely for Town to cling to erroneous reasoning and a weak case than for scum to fabricate a weak case. I also must admit that I don’t know brewha well enough yet to be sure, and I can’t remember the previous reasons why I was thinking brewha was scum.
No offense taken. But what do you expect a Townie to do? Any approach taken by a Townie is prone to error. My method has the benefit of making my assumptions explicit. I don’t expect others to vote based on my analysis, but instead to understand exactly why I’m voting the way I am. I think that’s the best policy for Townies, in general–clear and open thinking.
And I’ll note in the last game, no Townie was successfully catching Scum, so you can hardly hold that against my method.
OY, you never reply to your PMs over there. I haven’t seen you on in about a month. I tried telling Boozahol that my game was ending soon a week or two in advance but he didn’t see it, apparently.
Is that the second time that special_ed has misremembered me taking my vote off of Mhaye (which I didn’t do) despite me pointing out his mistake the first time?
The scum have the ability to talk to the town from beyond the grave, why they haven’t been doing that this entire game has been perplexing to me…
Then again, I know that sometimes JSexton likes to play a game w/o looking at his alignment at all. I hope he didn’t do that for this game (because though that play is great, it sucks as well if you’re a power role or such because you’re putting your team at a disadvantage by not using it).
They still get done sometimes, but in general, yes; they probably don’t get the attention they use to because we die early and it’s the sort of thing that us silly number crunchers like to do, so not a whole lot of other people are interested in doing it. The last time I remember doing it was in the Simpletown game (I think), and I do think it ended up being pretty useful in that game. I think I’ve been in at least four games since then, and the closest we got in any of those games was the SDMB game, but the town was focused (with some scum help) on the JSexton lynch, Pleo tried and, because I wanted to obfuscate matters, argued with him over it to muddle it up and keep other people from taking interest in it.
Who knows, maybe I’ll do it again in the next game I’m in. Who knows?
I know that JSexton has said that he’s played Day 1 without knowing who his scum teammates were. I think that an analysis of JSexton will point to another scum and he knows it, so he’s trying to WIFOM the town into not looking at an analysis.
Town should never, ever listen to confirmed non-Town players who still have a chance at winning.
It sounds like a nice mental experiment, but there’s just too much that can go wrong. What if you’ve actually got some special powers? If you don’t know your alignment you can’t make special use of them. Obviously, even if you’re scum, you want to look townie, but you also don’t want to catch something really scummy, turn in half your teammates, then find out later that you screwed up. It might be worth avoiding reading your PM for the first Day, but much beyond that is bad. FWIW, I have done games where I avoid learning the identities of my scum mates for the first Day. In fact, one thing I found useful in the SDMB game was that we didn’t use our names as logins to the scum board, so I was much more easily able to mentally disassociate myself with who else was scum.
I think his behavior was obnoxiously scummy. That said, if he is telling the truth, it could be attributed to him not knowing and thus approaching the game from more of a PFK perspective. As such, regardless of whether he was town or scum, he’d know it would be helpeful to his team to eliminate PFKs. However, at the same time, by not having that information, and by playing for what’s best for both, it inherently comes out looking anti-town and has the same result.
He might, but I don’t think he would. Certainly, as a mod, I wouldn’t. You’re welcome to not read the PM I sent you, or to not read certain parts of it, but it doesn’t seem equitable to filter out parts of a PM for a player.
I think he’s just saying it to mess with the town and keep them from looking closer at his posts.
I agree with the heat applied to Millit the Frail. Her reaction to JSexton’s “I didn’t know I was scum” claim seems rather scummy to me. She seems to eager to be “confused” about JSexton’s role in the game and what to do with his suspicions (toward amrussell).
That plus AH’s point about Millit thanking JSexton for “playing for us.” Is a remarkably weird statement to come from a Townie.
I’d be fine with a Millit lynching though there isn’t much to go on.
I admire JSextons claim. It’s gutsy in a Ro0shy sort of way, and you have to admire that. It is just off the wall enough to maybe take in a townsperson or two and cause enough of a distraction to keep even the ones who think he is full of it from looking too closely at anything else he has done.
He’s clearly full of it, but I don’t know that it matters.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a fine claim, and I don’t blame him at all for making it. It would be like a scum being nailed on the first day, knowing he’s going down not taking the opportunity to make a claim of some kind to either see if he can weasel out or get some information about a power role.
And you’re right, it really doesn’t matter. Any time spent discussing a claim like that after a scum is lynched is good for them. Trying to figure out whether a caught scum is telling the truth is purely WIFOM. At best, it keeps them from looking to closely at him; at worst, it acts as a bit of a distraction.
Finally caught up. Yes, they finally lynched JSexton!
As a Mafia player, I love his after-death gambit. Well played! As a Townie with a stake in the game, I can’t believe anyone is even responding to him. He has been mod-confirmed as playing against you–don’t listen to anything he says. :smack:
I don’t believe for a second that the moderator would comply with a request for self-censorship. That would terribly upset the balance of the game, unless the set up explicitly allowed for unknowing Scum. A Mafia game can’t function if the Scum don’t even know each other.
I’m bothered by this. I suppose it is possible that dotchan concluded that Cookies was the one to remove partially dead players, but prior to storyteller’s post in this forbidden thread, I was under the impression that the killer of partly dead was still in the game and not Cookies (based on the way Cookies brought up the information). I also think that scum knew that “Good Ash” could remove the partially dead (hence the dead Cookies).
It’s a slim point but I would say this makes dotchan look like scum.
Wow, there really isn’t much of anything to base suspicions on at this point is there? Day Seven was less than two pages!
I tried telling Boozahol that my game was ending soon a week or two in advance but he didn’t see it, apparently.
As a Townie with a stake in the game, I can’t believe anyone is even responding to him. He has been mod-confirmed as playing against you–don’t listen to anything he says. :smack: