Evil Dead Mafia Forbidden Thread - The Cabin in the Woods

[sachertorte]

Well, since Town pretty much knows that there is only one scum left, they are left in a rather strange situation. It’s like Day One again, except usually on Day One everyone can be content knowing that if X, Y, and Z are silent, it doesn’t really matter because even if one or two of them are scum, there are other scum to find.

In this case, they have so many blank pages and they KNOW only one could possibly be scum, so what to do? Really, in this case there is no optimal course of action. They could lynch Nanook, Special Ed, or someone else who as been too quiet and win if one of those happen to be scum and lose if they happen to be all town. At this point it is down to luck.
Or they can lynch based on postings and maybe win, or maybe lose if the one scum left hasn’t been posting. Again luck.
I don’t really see how Town can proceed. It might be best to ask pedescribe or Hockey Monkey to just randomly pick an Unknown and lynch that one. That’s no less ‘optimal’ than any other plan, in my opinion.

And from my perspective, I think Town as a whole has done a very good job, especially in lynching. The only lynch I would point to as a mistake was the Chucara lynch, because it was clear that a power role was Day-investigating her. (Maybe the Hal lynch too, but only because MHaye was clearly scum at the time. I look at that as simply ordering since I’m convinced Hal would have been lynched next anyway)

Other than that, all town mistakes must have been night actions, which I’m not “in the know” except it looks like Cookies wasn’t killing the partial dead and probably should have been.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

@NAF1138

I know. It’s sad becauase town has made far more mistakes than scum, but they have made them at times when scum couldn’t capitalize on them. Town has also made just enough right moves and scum have been bitten by every single little thing they have done wrong.

It’s bad luck for the scum (except for last Night, I don’t know what that was about) more than anything. But honestly, a mass claim could give the win away for town since it takes away the last sure fire method by which the scum can shoot themselves in the foot.

I can think of one way that the scum got extremely lucky.

[Blaster_Master]

@sachertorte

And from my perspective, I think Town as a whole has done a very good job, especially in lynching. The only lynch I would point to as a mistake was the Chucara lynch, because it was clear that a power role was Day-investigating her. (Maybe the Hal lynch too, but only because MHaye was clearly scum at the time. I look at that as simply ordering since I’m convinced Hal would have been lynched next anyway)

Let’s not forget my lynch either, and not it’s not just because I’m bitter; I suppose it’s technically not a mislynch, but it certainly wasn’t optimal. I’d like to say a little more about it, but I already said most of it, and the part I didn’t say, while I wish I had taken the time to say for the sake of ego inflation, I can’t now because it would effectively be a spoil, and that’s not to mention all of the other stuff I would have done.

Other than that, all town mistakes must have been night actions, which I’m not “in the know” except it looks like Cookies wasn’t killing the partial dead and probably should have been.

Since storyteller alluded to it, one of the pro-town power roles played very poorly and the game easily could have been over by now if those actions had been different. And let’s also not forget the play of the masons which has been… questionable.

[Natlaw]

Hi, to all spectators

I haven’t read this thread yet, but was wondering if it contains spoilers for Evil Dead? Not sure yet I want to be spoiled ;). Also if there are spoilers about pedescribes Super!Smash!Bros! game a warning please.

Anyway, my current take on the game:
vote pedescribe
If Pleonast hadn’t implicitly confirmed him, I so wanted to lynch him!
I seriously considered he has a private win condition to vote for everyone at least once :D. I do think his gambit that got me killed was not entirely bad, even if scum had gotten the doctor (since he still unclaimed and with many town alive the chance for a successful protect is not that big. Best to mostly self protect at this point I guess.

brewha, Rapier42, special ed
If one of these is the last scum, town wins.

Nanook of the North Shore, Zeriel
Big trouble if either of them is scum, though Nanook keeps pinging be with his low post count and everyone of them seems to contain a smudge. Scum not voting him of Day Six makes it possible, unless brewha is scum, meaning there would have been three scum voting a town Nanook.

amrussell
The most certain town in my eyes (I had him as fourth mason, irrationally of his remark ‘I’m Jacks lack of surprise’ on pedes claim Day one.
If he is scum though, scum win but I think it unlikely, unless the JSexton/amrussell argument was a setup.

Total Lost
I’ll have to trust Cookies here and think Total Lost is the doctor and possibly triggered Cookies powers (after a protect?).
Though I’ll have to admit I almost convinced myself Cookies was a Godfather with those little white lies…

I think vanilla was the perfect role for my first game, didn’t have to worry about screwing up too much with powers :p.

Other moments in the game:
peekercpa, did you really quit because of the lurkers or because you where two points ahead?

When I posted I had a different win condition (mine also mentioned ‘and there is no chance of an exclusive win for any third-party’), I panicked a bit, even reported my post to get a moderator to edit that part out :smack:. I was afraid it would spoil the game, since any other Beta got a free ‘he is beta too’ confirmed by Story.

Blaster Master was my most sure lynch, especially after the ‘Story told me I had bad luck’ part. If his initial post hadn’t mentioned he needed to lurk for his role and his reaction to the magic bagging had been more calm, it would have been different.

MHayes claim on the other hand I did trust (as far as you can trust things besides death and taxes in Mafia), in hindsight his role was too powerful and the failed Cookies protection too bloody convenient.

I also had a towny feel from Millit the Frail (even though I put her at the top of a vote analysis) which turned out to be wrong - I’ll need to be more paranoid about that in future games :).

Any comments on how I played the game? Did I over do the vote analysis? What is the opinion on posting vote sheets off board (I did put mine up after Millits went down). I won’t be updating it now, since I’m dead - not sure if there is an actual rule for that.

Thanks to all players and the SDMB for letting me play and a big thanks to Storyteller! The color at Dusk/Dawn and role PMs really give a good vibe to the game, well done!

[NAF1138]

I thought you were one of the best players in the game Natlaw. You were so good that I thought you were scum for a good long time since it is rare to have a new player do that well on their first game (I think Hoopy was the last person to make such a strong first impression). I figured you were getting coaching from the scum.

I hope you stick around and play some more, and read this thread. There aren’t any spoilers but there is a lot of good talk.

[Blaster_Master]

@Natlaw

Blaster Master was my most sure lynch, especially after the ‘Story told me I had bad luck’ part. If his initial post hadn’t mentioned he needed to lurk for his role and his reaction to the magic bagging had been more calm, it would have been different.

I won’t say too much about my own lynch, since I’ve already discussed it earlier in the thread, but I do want to clear up a few things. First, it really is no surprise that you didn’t buy my claim at all; to bring back the poker analogy, it’s easier for pros to play against pros because they’re more predictable than amateurs. Not to say that you’re an amateur, but a lot of my claim, particularly my composure, were based on experience from former games. I wanted to appear flustered because that’s how I often see those sorts of claims go. Claims that seem to have everything in order, and are presented calmly tend to stink of premeditation and, thus, imply it is false; however, those are precisely the sorts of claims that go over well on newer players. This is probably why mine looked so fishy to you and MHaye’s looked believable.

Unfortunately, like I’d said before, my claim depended on people either buying it (which I figured was unlikely) or figuring out that I was probably PFK and thus not a good lynch target. The problem was, I was hoping someone like NAF or JSexton would come out an say that, since I couldn’t just claim PFK, but NAF was MIA and JSexton was scum. As I suspected, the only way I’d get lynched was if the scum piled on me; the unfortunate thing is that the scum actually decided to do that. :smack:

Anyway, you did very well and seem to have some solid instincts, so I hope you stick around and play some more.

[Hoopy_Frood]

@NAF1138

I thought you were one of the best players in the game Natlaw.

Echoes that sentiment.

You done good. I hope you stick around.

[Natlaw]

Thanks for the praise, I’ve subbed in pede game on the other board, so maybe I am getting addicted to Mafia ;).

On reading this thread, I see most of my questions are answered, except about the off board vote sheets.
I do agree that later in the game vote analysis is more useful, especially the end vote by player with colors gives a real nice overview.

I guess it is the experience with how you all nailed JSexton/Mhaye as scum so soon. About BlaM pointing to him, I did notice that while looking at JSexton, but I didn’t think saying it out loud would have helped. I do find brewha scummy for saying we shouldn’t look at BlaMs claims at all.

And I see they are mass claiming, which most people here thought wasn’t a good idea. For the record, I was in favor of it Day Six to get more info to see if MHayes claim held up and later because I was making a case against special ed and was worried he might be a fourth mason due to his voting with town.
Anyway, I don’t think it it turned out to badly, we town got a doctor and a role blocker now! I think the rest will claim vanilla and I trust Total Losts claim and it makes Almost Humans believable.
It allows for at least two confirmed town:
-AH protects TL, if some one dies (probably AH), TL blocked town
-TL dies the next Night, she blocked town again

[Pleonast]

Wow, you’re new to Mafia, Natlaw? I just assumed you were an experienced player from another board who just started playing here. You’re a natural! Please keep playing with us.

[Natlaw]

Not completely new, I lurked / read a couple of games here before playing. And since this game started in my vacation, I started with lots of free time to get in the game.

@Rapier42

I don’t think TL is important enough to us to lose you, AH. It’s your role to play, but I’d rather see you play chicken with the scum, and maybe force him/her to tag a mason or unconfirmed rather than risk knocking heads with you.

While I would consider to WIFOM to self protect instead of TL (and only once), but it does look like Rapier is trying to get a clear shot at TL who is more dangerous to scum then AH. That was even discussed earlier, that a role blocker doubles as investigator at end game).

[sachertorte]

Wow. I guess I was wrong about brewha. Why did I think he was Town again?
That was a remarkably strange roleclaim. It just boggles the mind. Why on earth would there be a power to remove 5 deadites at a time? It’s just too weird to believe.

Game over?

[NAF1138]

Send me a PM if you want a real answer.

[ToeJam]

Am I the only one amused by the thoughts of the Pure and Chaste Chick hanging out night after night with the Sorority girl- and then losing her “chastity”?

Well played Storyteller, I think you may have just created the first Lesbian Roles on here (not counting the very first mafia game I played in on the Off Board Dope were I think there were Lesbian Lovers)- But that was Cupid’s choice, and not an actual Role mechanic…

[sachertorte]

This is insane!? Are they really going to lynch someone because that person uses a different WEB BROWSER?

[NAF1138]

I know.

[ToeJam]

When you’re getting yelled at by *DOTCHAN **on how to play good town, you might want to reassess what you’re doing. Because yeah. That’s just idiotic.
And speaking of which- Why haven’t the dead people talked more? I’m suprised that the dead scum have been so passive. They really haven’t taken advantage of trying to sow chaos or ANYTHING by spewing verbal crap into a thread like this. It’s one of the reasons I’d expect the Days and Nights to be diff. threads, because teh whole point of talking scum is spew crap and fill up the page with milk solicitations and the like. Much like Jsexton’s final comments. It’s a good head twist.

And I’m surprised no scum has tried the “disgruntled scum” tactic or anything to try to create a false lead or such.

Or at least, that’s how I’d exploit the system.

• By the way if it isn’t clear by now, I just love giving **Dotchan **a hard time, but I mean it all in good fun. She’s one of the players that joined at the same time I did in our first game together (Asylum) and she’s quite a good player. But i HAVE lynched her many a times for her scummyness even when I was scum, and I always say these comments in half-jest as an inside joke. So don’t take it too seriously, Dotty, you knows I loves ya! *Though if does bother ya, feel free to shoot me a PM and I’ll knock it off.

[Blaster_Master]

Eh, this is why, as much as I’d like to allow players to quote PMs, it ruins a lot of the fun. Making a successful role claim is much less about coming up with a compatible and believable power, and more about how convincing your role PM can be. You could come up with a thoroughly convincing role that, were PMs not allowed, would work, but something silly like a line of dashes (that, for all we know, could easily have just been forgotten by storyteller) ruins it. It’s akin to the problem of vanilla hand-shaking and it sort of spoils some of the fun of the game.

Also, like Ro0sh, I’m surprised there’s been less dead involvement. Dead pro-town people have a unique opportunity to put out ideas and have the town know that they’re pro-town. Dead scum have the ability to possibly throw out WIFOM info, or at least flood the thread. Hell, all a dead scum has to do to guide conversation is be so incredibly loud that you can’t be ignored or post something akin to what JSexton did.

[NAF1138]

I find that scum have missed a few good opportunities. They didn’t really use their Day talking ability as much as they could have (I would think after Terminator that people would be all over Day co-ordination as scum) they didn’t use their dead talking ability at all and they have made some rather silly kill decisions.

And town still *isn’t *winning handily.

[ToeJam]

Actually, I kind of want to see if **Zeriel **is scum now…

Lynch him for information!

[Pleonast]

@Blaster_Master

Eh, this is why, as much as I’d like to allow players to quote PMs, it ruins a lot of the fun. Making a successful role claim is much less about coming up with a compatible and believable power, and more about how convincing your role PM can be. You could come up with a thoroughly convincing role that, were PMs not allowed, would work, but something silly like a line of dashes (that, for all we know, could easily have just been forgotten by storyteller) ruins it. It’s akin to the problem of vanilla hand-shaking and it sort of spoils some of the fun of the game.

I see it as a problem from having a closed setup, rather than an open one. If everyone already knows what all the role PMs look like, then quoting them becomes a non-issue.