NAF, Are you counting Maha as the claimed cop?
No, I am counting whoever claims to be a cop (in my scenario) as the claimed cop. They will, probably have to get killed at some point to confirm that they are who they say they are, which throws off the math a bit, but you can’t put them into the confirmed pool with the others.
Ah, I see. Thanks.
Obviously not this time. I have to admit, I did not notice the oddities about my role PM until pointed out(aside from the weird one bullet point thing).
Hey, if you guys lynch me, you’ll see that the PM’s are apparently filled with quirks.
Do any other already claimed people have “The” as part of their name? Did you get two the’s also?
Hey, check out your own PM’s, people. See if you also have quirks. Do a quirk-check.
Yeah - to vote for someone based on a “the The” would be very much like voting for someone saying their PM said “total lost” and not “Total Lost”.
However - you can’t just ignore that there was a case on you before all this PM-stuff came up.
So if you’re really town the best thing would be for you to go back and see what was said about you, asked of you and post answers.
My PM is sparklingly free of quirks, except for any I may have missed. I have to admit I like your style, though.
Sorry, NAF, I missed the follow up.
I guess I’m not sure what you’re getting at. The first target on my back came out of our exchange during Day One, in which you said I could not have been Vanilla. Turns out that technically I was both. You can’t really call me a Power role (well, you couldn’t then), because my “power” was not actually in existence. It’s like equating jerking off to an abortion. Unlike the analogy Ed draws to a doc or roleblocker, my selection could not be blocked or redirected, which is also an argument against my having been non-VT on Day One.
Later targets were of my own making, post-claim, and were done specifically to screw with Scum and third parties. There’s one more minor thing I’ve held back that I think in this particular game might lend minor credence to my claim, but it’s essentially unprovable and gives too much away, so I’ve been hanging on to it until the time is right. Which it may never be.
That’s more or less what I was looking for I think.
The reason I brought it up at all is that you used the putting a target on your back as part of your reasoning for why you couldn’t be scum, but, and this is important, you only have a target on your back if you are not scum. You haven’t done anything that would make non scum want to kill you specifically.
Now that sounds like a set up to go off on why I think you are scummy for saying that, but the reality is I think it almost (almost is key) totally clears you from the possibility of being scum. If you were actually scum I don’t think you would see yourself as having a target on your back. You might claim a lot of things, but I don’t think you would claim to be in danger of a Night Kill based on your actions.
I was in danger of a Night Kill from a pro town element. I was also briefly in danger of being lynched, you have been in neither scenario and I can’t think of a reason why you might be.
I think that’s a fairly strong town slip on your part.
I take back all the suspicion I had on you earlier.
[Raises Hand]
Copy/Pasted from my role PM:
Yes, I should have checked it this morning before I voted for Mahaloth. No, I didn’t.
Nanook, the reason I didn’t defend myself agains Normal there was because I had already addressed most, if not all, of his points at various times over the past couple Days. But to save you and others the need to dig through 2 thousand posts, I’ll summarize here:
Romanic
Romanic’s post struck me, as it did everyone else, as one of thos things that you can’t believe anyone would say. I couldn’t fathom why anyone would make such a statement, whether they were Scum of Town. But on Day 1, when there’s not much to go on, it’s hard to let something like that go by. He later made his role claim, which I didn’t find believable (mistake on my part). And he took an attitude with us, basically saying “fine, vote for me if you want. I’ll just leave and you won’t get to lynch me anyway. so there!”. I thought that was anti-Town behavior, so I saw no reason to change my vote.
Oredigger
I don’t think I need to defend my case against Oredigger, because Normal pretty much laid it out. I first thought he was giving ‘bad advice’ as far as thinking a Town Romanic should take a hike. Later, I took issue with Oredigger for voting for Romanic when he thought Romanic was Town.
As far as my not casting a vote…Normal posted “He [Suburban] still could have voted earlier, then unvoted ‘just in case’”. He’s wrong. I knew I would be unable to access the board for the last 60 hours or so of Day 1. I didn’t want to cast a vote that it would be impossible for me to remove, so I didn’t cast a vote.
[del]Harry Potter[/del] Chipacabra and the Really Remarkable Level of Curiosity
I was remarkably curious about the Night’s events. So remarkably curious that I made a whopping two posts on the subject. Sue me.
NAF
I didn’t think NAF’s strategy of “I’ll keep the book and use it every night” was a good one. It made me suspicious of him. When the book mysteriously disappeared overnight, I became more suspicious. But as the Day wore on, and I gave the matter more thought and read the opinions of others, his actions seemed less suspicious. After mulling ut over for most of the Day, I came to a conclusion that was almost completely opposite my original one. That could be because I’m a scummy scumbag, or just because I am willing to change my conclusions based on new evidence (or a rereading of old evidence based on additional related information).
Idle
I thought Idle flipping from “suspicious of NAF because he wants to keep the book” to “not suspicious of NAF because someone stole the book from him” was itself suspicious. I did in fact mention it. See posts 1346, 1350, and 1388for my side of the discussion I had with Idle on the subject. I may not have come out at that point and said “I am suspicious of Idle”, but I think anyone paying attention can see that I didn’t agree with his position.
peeker
I’ve gone over this several times already. I never thought the original case against peeker was a good one. I didn’t think he had done anything ‘scummy’ until after he refused to mount any sort of defense at all, and claimed that posting his PM would aid Scum. At that point, I voted for him.
Normal does have one very good point in his analysis. I was very quick to vote against Romanic, and not at all quick to vote against anyone else the first 2 Days. My only defense is that the Romanic case came very early on Day 1, and since it’s rare to have a strong case against anyone so early in the game, I suppose I jumped on what looked like an easy one. Not much of a defense, I know.
The thing is, I haven’t really bothered thinking all that much about how I am going to defend myself, because I haven’t done anything wrong. When you’re playing Scum, you know you have to lie, almost constantly. So you need to prepare a defense before you even post anything. You already know all of the holes in every argument, so you try to prepare all of the answers to all of the questions in advance. You need to review every word to make sure you aren’t claiming to know something you don’t know; you need to make sure that all of your argumenst have a solid basis; you need to make sure you don’t say anything that contradicts anything you’ve said before.
As Town, you don’t do these things. You know you’re telling the truth, so you assume that others will know it as well. You don’t worry so much about the exact words that you use, because you don’t have a script that you need to stick to. You are free to say what you want to say, because you aren’t trying to hide anything.
Now obviously, I don’t expect that everyone is going to believe everything I say “just because I’m town”. I know it doesn’t work that way; I still need to support my conclusions with some kind of reasonable analysis. My point is that Town often have trouble giving iron-clad reasons for their arguments, because they don’t need to craft the arguments ahead of time to fit the conclusions that they are required to make up.
Man, nothing like a Friday Night to slow things to a crawl.
Yeah, I mean, I’ve killed plenty of threads in my time, but I thought for a while I’d outdone myself here.
Go Rangers.
I don’t have a vote on him yet, but there is a reasonable case against Mahaloth aside from the PM artifacts, and until someone can show me how to reproduce a PM in such a way as to get the number of posts by the author, there are are things that I still consider dubious about the PM.
Below is the first part of my PM (from Mahaloth, as it happens) from the Lord of the Rings game here on the Dope. I simply highlighted the text from the Private Massage screen and pasted it here.
Since Mahaloth is currently a member here, his location and post count show in the same format as in his post. The only thing I see that is different from what he posted is that I don’t get anything indicating that he is offline, but I really don’t see Maha accidentally inserting that into his PM…
08-11-2010, 05:01 PM
Mahaloth
Charter Member
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: 地球
Posts: 11,435
Lord of the Rings Role PM
You are Denethor.
You are a Servant of Darkness.
You have little hope and little control over your fate, so you have given up on trying to defeat Sauron and have decided to go along with whatever his plans are.
You win when the Servants of Darkness can no longer be destroyed.
Ah, ok. If Member/Charter Member hyperlinks include status and post count information, but Guest hyperlinks only include status, that would make sense, and If story’s membership type just happened to switch over between now and when Mahaloth performed his cut and paste, that would also make sense.
I still find the timing congruence of events required a bit outside of belief, but am willing to set all of the metagame PM stuff aside as a null tell.
It might be best served by discovering which browser Mahaloth used.
I remember noticing a difference in claim made during the original Evil Dead. When I used the same browser as the person making the claim, I was able to reproduce a PM with similar artifacts.
Firefox 3.6.11 copies the alt text of the images (online bulb, icq/aim icons, buttons). I even got some text from drop down menu ^^.
Anyway this was a reason pedescribe why added ‘no quoting timestamps’ rule, just copy the role description not the entire PM web page.
My current version of Firefox is:
3.5.14
Guys, all I did was select the text of my PM from the bottom up and included everything I thought would be useful. I love that being thorough may get me killed.
What can I say? I’m vanilla, so the lynch of me is not a huge issue. I can even see if being beneficial, since it confirms me(and I have no further investigative powers).
Then again, I want to continue in the game and I don’t want to see another mislynch. Seriously, someone NK me if possible. It will save a mislynch.
Look, here is another PM I have received outside game. I’ve taken out the core of the text, since it is mundane and I didn’t ask to share it.
It’s from USCDiver about gaining access to my Mahaloth Mafia board for spoilers. Uh, I assume Diver doesn’t care. It’s really not very private or interesting. He had an error getting on my site.
10-01-2010, 06:53 PM
USCDiver USCDiver is offline
Charter Member
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: NC
Posts: 2,909
proboards
Maha,
for some reason I’m getting an error …blah blah blah(he wrote)
Diver
See? It includes the post count and so forth.
Maha, I established at least a page ago that everything you posted you could have gotten by cutting and pasting. This is a non-issue.