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[Telcontar]

Confirming

@Oy

Um, here’s a weird thing. In post #137:

[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
I also don’t know what Natlaw is smoking. Story has quite clearly stated that only the (scum -1) have had their roles assigned yet. Any Masons (should there even be any) are still a twinkle in the eye of Fate.

And in post #210:

Except that’s not what Storyteller said in his post #110:

[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
In a few minutes, each of you will receive a PM. The vast majority will receive the following PM:

Quote:You are not yet Scum.

The players who are Scum will receive messages to that effect. They will then be given a chance to meet and to select one player from the pool of players who received “not yet Scum” messages to complete their team. Once they have chosen, the actual roles will be randomized and distributed, and Day One will begin. No other powers or abilities will be available during Night Zero.

Meanwhile, it is now Night Zero. The rules will be posted presently. Feel free to discuss this wrinkle, the rules, or anything else; there are no post restrictions of any kind in this game, and anything may be discussed by Day or by Night.
[/QUOTE]

Story didn’t say anything whatsoever about Scum getting their role PMs, just messages to the effect that they are Scum. In fact, based on what he said, it seems to me that Scum wouldn’t get their role PMs until everyone else does, once Scum have selected their final buddy.

So how is it that Cookes knows otherwise?
[/QUOTE]

Except…we’ve all gotten PMs. Not role PMs, but PMs telling us about our roles (for N our certain roles, 30-N our highly probably roles). So the game is afoot in the way cookie suggested and he doesn’t say “role PMs”. If I were scum, I’d be thinking as scum now. If I were highly probable town, I’d be thinking as town. If I were town and became scum in another day or so, then I’d be rather confused when that happened. Then I’d put on my ax murderer face and all would be clear again.

Also, we have every reason to think that neither scum nor town has actual Role PMs yet, so cookies couldn’t be PIS something that is presumably not true. much more likely he meant what he said.

PS Still not Scum. Nor King for that matter. Boo. Want King.

[sinjin]

@MHaye

@peekercpa

and i am kind of ambivalent about your second observation. which game was it where the scum posted to the main thread outing two of them? i mean it was observed by a townie but was blanked out by the time the rest of the folks checked in. much mod consternation was involved.

There were two. Santo Rugger slipped in the Cult of Sekham, outing himself and (I think) zuma as Sekhamites. (NAF was another.) Then DarkCookies outed herself as Alliance in Firefly.

There are reasons to want to edit, and it’s up to each person to decide, on each separate occasion, whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the jeers and japes of onlookers for coding errors, or edit and by editing end them.

I refuse to commit, now, to not editing a post in this game. I might need to.

Don’t forget Dotchan in I think SSBM. She was the Godfather and asked in the game thread how her scum kills worked. I wanted to kill her myself.

[Mahaloth]

Will we have a new thread for the actual game once it begins?

[Stanislaus]

Confirming PM.

[special_ed]

According to the rules in post 111 (who is it that makes the helpful links in their sig line?), votes are allowed a Night, but are only counted at DayEnd

[USCDiver]

@special_ed

According to the rules in post 111 (who is it that makes the helpful links in their sig line?), votes are allowed a Night, but are only counted at DayEnd

I did it in the LOTR game, but I remember (I think) **NAF1138 **doing it when he was mod… that way it doesn’t disappear when a player is eliminated and it’s always easily accessible from the thread title screen.

[Total_Lost]

@sinjin

Don’t forget Dotchan in I think SSBM. She was the Godfather and asked in the game thread how her scum kills worked. I wanted to kill her myself.

I have always wondered about that one. Was it really a slip or was it a joke that turned into being the truth?
Because I could see (some) players saying that in a jest…

Or to try and get investigated (and not as it happened lynched).

[Total_Lost]

@Telcontar

So the game is afoot in the way cookie suggested and he doesn’t say “role PMs”.

She. The tough Cookie is a she

(I snipped your post a bit - but I actually agree with the rest of it).

[sinjin]

@Total_Lost

@sinjin

Don’t forget Dotchan in I think SSBM. She was the Godfather and asked in the game thread how her scum kills worked. I wanted to kill her myself.

I have always wondered about that one. Was it really a slip or was it a joke that turned into being the truth?
Because I could see (some) players saying that in a jest…

Or to try and get investigated (and not as it happened lynched).

It was a slip. Trust me.

[Total_Lost]

@sinjin

@Total_Lost

I have always wondered about that one. Was it really a slip or was it a joke that turned into being the truth?
Because I could see (some) players saying that in a jest…

Or to try and get investigated (and not as it happened lynched).

It was a slip. Trust me.

I trust you - to some extend

Must have been quit a game for you - one buddy making a slip like that and then the other Scum claiming scum. Epic for the rest of us - but I can imagine you must have been slightly… frustrated… at times

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

A vote already? Really? From someone I’ve never played with, but then Wanderers seems to agree that I somehow misspoke? Hmmm. Let’s take another look…

@Storyteller

In a few minutes, each of you will receive a PM. The vast majority will receive the following PM:

Quote:You are not yet Scum.
The players who are Scum will receive messages to that effect. They will then be given a chance to meet and to select one player from the pool of players who received “not yet Scum” messages to complete their team. Once they have chosen, the actual roles will be randomized and distributed, and Day One will begin.

This right here is what you call a statement from the mod indicating that two types of PMs were sent out, and reading those PMs will allow players to determine if they are scum or not-yet-scum. This very same statement also indicates that at some future point in time other PMs will be sent distributing the other roles to the rest of the game, which indicates that PMs that have been sent so far are only…wait for it…SOME of the PMs that are going to apply to this game.

Perhaps some of you were thrown by Story’s use of “to that effect”? Because I could perhaps see how it could be interpreted as the scum receiving the same you-are-not-yet-scum as everyone else, but I heartily insist that is not the effect to which he was referring. The effect to which he was referring is the effect of being scum.

[Total_Lost]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

A vote already? Really? From someone I’ve never played with, but then Wanderers seems to agree that I somehow misspoke? Hmmm. Let’s take another look…

To me it just looked like a trigger-happy newbie.
Jumping all over the place.

[USCDiver]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

This right here is what you call a statement from the mod indicating that two types of PMs were sent out, and reading those PMs will allow players to determine if they are scum or not-yet-scum. This very same statement also indicates that at some future point in time other PMs will be sent distributing the other roles to the rest of the game, which indicates that PMs that have been sent so far are only…wait for it…SOME of the PMs that are going to apply to this game.

Perhaps some of you were thrown by Story’s use of “to that effect”? Because I could perhaps see how it could be interpreted as the scum receiving the same you-are-not-yet-scum as everyone else, but I heartily insist that is not the effect to which he was referring. The effect to which he was referring is the effect of being scum.

I think the argument being made is that some players are assuming that the Scum were sent a PM to the effect of: “you are scum”, just as the rest of us were sent “you are not yet Scum”, but that Roles have not been assigned yet. Your post #137 seems to imply that the Scum have had Roles assigned and not just alignment. Others are questioning whether this is a PIS slip

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Yeah that’s my take too, but I couldn’t recall if Oy! was a new-newbie, or just someone who hasn’t played on the Dope yet so I didn’t want to throw around the label of Newbie in ignorance.

[Total_Lost]

@USCDiver

I think the argument being made is that some players are assuming that the Scum were sent a PM to the effect of: “you are scum”, just as the rest of us were sent “you are not yet Scum”, but that Roles have not been assigned yet. Your post #137 seems to imply that the Scum have had Roles assigned and not just alignment. Others are questioning whether this is a PIS slip

Post 137

I really have a hard time see where we got from “Story has quite clearly stated that only the (scum -1) have had their roles assigned yet” to the “Roles have been assigned”-PIS.

Maybe the problem is that we all need to talk about the difference between roles and “Roles”.

As far as I’m concerned this is will make the Top 10 of most silly discussion Night 0 ever.
I’ll make sure to make a list in the mafia-wiki once the game is over.

woot and a hot potato!

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Ah ok, that makes more sense now.

I suppose I am guilty as charged of thinking even role-free-yet-self-aware scum off on a scum board plotting their strategy and recruitment as being 90% of the way to already having their actual roles.

Those who are so inclined can feel free to continue barking up the wrong tree and I will put away my hairy eyeball.

[TexCat]

Confirming my PM rec’d, and that I am not yet scum. I have finally caught up on the 3 or 4 pages of night 0 posts. Phew! I agree that editing is suspicious, and would add to the evidence for lynching someone. I don’t think I’d vote someone solely for editing, but, who knows? As for the other questions, lynch all millers and at least threaten to lynch all lurkers.

[Mahaloth]

I wonder how close we are to being all set to go.

[storyteller0910]

@Mahaloth

I wonder how close we are to being all set to go.

Close. Day One will begin tomorrow (Monday) morning, sometime between 10 and 11 AM.

[Telcontar]

@Total_Lost

I really have a hard time see where we got from “Story has quite clearly stated that only the (scum -1) have had their roles assigned yet” to the “Roles have been assigned”-PIS.

Maybe the problem is that we all need to talk about the difference between roles and “Roles”.

As far as I’m concerned this is will make the Top 10 of most silly discussion Night 0 ever.
I’ll make sure to make a list in the mafia-wiki once the game is over.

woot and a hot potato!

Silliest Night Zero discussion? You weren’t even in LOTR. Don’t talk to me about silly Night Zero discussion. I seriously contemplated just voting by post count.