whoops i guess it was idle.
I’m kidding! I’m kidding!
Ah, so to sum up.
You think that as scum I would
- take an item that will put a target on my back and might have killed me just by taking it
- make a big deal about it and how I want to keep it putting a bigger target on my back
- come up with a detailed plan about what to do with the book that causes even more controversy
- intentionally introduce a mystery that destroys the last shred of credibility that I might have had
And out of this I gain? An item that could potentially kill me and that I don’t know how it works or what exactly it does? BRILLIANT!
Or do you think that scum were given a blueprint of how the necronomicon works?
Also, Ed, I am going to need you to cut out the snide comments and actually take a stand here in one direction or the other. Snide doesn’t help anyone.
ooooh, I like it when you boss me around.
I can comment on this post you’ve made if you like.
I think yes, as Scum, you might have:
- taken a risk of putting a target on your back if you thought the risk might be worth it
- made a big deal out of keeping it if you thought it was worth the risk (Especially since so few were thinking about lynching you for it, so not a big risk)
- Come up with a plan that appeared to be pro-Town but was not confirmable
- Intentionally hidden the book from Town and tried to escape accountability.
Is that a strong enough stand for you?
Also, you might note that I’ve taken several stands this game. I’m currently voting for peeker and waiting to see how that turns out.
I did vote for Romanic and Oredigger and I think contributed strongly to the discussion on Day 1.
I find it very odd (I can use that word here, right?) that you’d call me out on not contributing
NETA, granted, NAF, maybe you’re not one to take huge risks as Scum.
For instance, you wouldn’t claim Mason with a Scumbuddy in a game where either of you dying would have automatically led to the other’s lynch.[sup]1[/sup]
Of course, unless you thought it was worth the risk.
1 - This was successfully done by a Scummy NAF in RagnarokAnd this line in particular. This is how you’d describe the book?
Why on Earth would a Town player want that?
Oh, yeah, maybe because the reward could potentially outweigh the risk.
Same applies to the Scum.
Of course, it might have been more appropriate for you to ask:
“And out of this I gain? An item that is potentially powerful and might come with clues to figure out how to use it? BRILLIANT!”
Not saying you aren’t contributing, just saying that a good majority of your posting is baseless snark rather than purposeful analysis.
Didn’t finish reading the thread.
The risk is significantly higher for scum. There are a finite number of scum, probably not more than five, six at the outside. If the book killed the first person that picked it up (and story strongly implied that it might) and there were 5 scum scum lose 1/5 of it’s team right then. Let’s put that in perspective. That would be the equivalent of 5 townies in this game if you assume there are no third parties and 5 scum.
Also, the mason play in Ragnarok was actually a fairly conservative play because the mods essentially gave us a mason safe claim. It had a big risk, but the reward was that we win the game if it works. I don’t see the same risk/reward scenario here.
eh, conservative isn’t right, but it wasn’t as risky as it sounds.
I really can’t see why a vanilla Town PM from Peeker could provide Scum with anything. We seem to have agreed on the fact that the nilla-PMs have been customized and how can Scum then conclude anything from Peekers PM that they can use later in the game?
However - to be perfectly honest - I don’t see what I would learn from a PM either. I’m pretty sure Scum have been provided with fake PMs. So even if Peeker showed up with a perfect PM a la Story - to me it would prove nothing.
I can understand why we’d like to learn more about power roles and their exact powers before we lose them. But a vanilla PM? No so much.
And just because I always need to comment when this issue comes up:
And it wasn’t safe - we gave you the PM but we never said there couldn’t be masons in the game. So you did run a risk…
And we weren’t being Gastardly Mods.
As someone mentioned before it’s unlikely scum would have unlimited PMs so better have a scum peeker use one up now than let them keep it for the future.
That said I think the peekers slip was more of an honest mistake than a scum slip. I don’t like peekers lack of defense either but I do note he has gone relatively quiet in another game as well.
OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
peekercpa - 13 votes - Mrs McGinty (1042), USCDiver (1353), NAF1138 (1357), Astral Rejection (1358), special ed (1367), Drain Bead (1376), CometotheCookies (1379), Rysto (1383), Idle Thoughts (1384), Mahaloth (1397), GuiriEnEspana (1400), lilflower (1406), Nanook (1453)
NAF1138 - 3 votes - Oy! (758), Texcat (1192), brewha (1201)
Suburban Plankton – 2 votes – Natlaw (1276), Stanislaus (1299)
Idle Thoughts – 2 votes – Telcontar (1408), One and Only Wanderers (1448)
Mrs. McGinty - 1 vote - peekercpa (755)
One and Only Wanderers – 1 vote – Total Lost (1279)
lilflower - 1 vote - Normal Phase (1432)
In other news, I have an event on Saturday and will be leaving the house at 10:00AM and not returning until very late at night. In order to keep the game going, I would like to end the Day a bit early – say around 9:00AM EST on Saturday – but I won’t do so if any significant number of players object. If you do object, please say so either in this thread or via PM. If we don’t end it early, it will “end” at 3:00PM EST, but probably won’t end in the sense of you getting a Dusk post until Sunday morning.
I already have a target on my back, as someone has already taken a pot shot at me. They’d try again, presumably, if I did nothing to put WIFOM into their head about protectors and watchers and the like. (And they still might, but this way there’s a chance of something good coming of it.) This is why I decided to claim, ultimately, aside from any other considerations. Whoever attacked me already knew that something went awry with their plans; and they might even have been able to take an educated guess as to just what that was.
I meant to add this last night but forgot: one reason I really don’t want to think that a vig took a shot at me is that in that case I would definitely be telling the bad guys (all of them) something they didn’t already know, which is … not good. But I had to make some educated guesses in order to decide whether to say anything at all, and what you’ve seen me say is where I decided the odds land. I still think I’m much more likely to be right than not.
And to clarify your assumption from above, I have not claimed I can see things at night, in the general sense. Only that I know that Chipacabra died protecting me.
It’s relevant because Storyteller doesn’t always provide sufficient numbers of complete claims to cover all the scum’s needs. He did not in his most recent game before this one, over on Idlemafia. He gave us one complete claim, one partial one, and a handful of safe names; that’s it. (For four scum.)
Peeker’s refusal to provide a role PM is difficult to justify as town, but it’s easy-peasy to understand if the scum were not given enough roles to cover themselves; or if they want to keep their options open for players who are less screwed to the wall already. As you say, even a perfect vanilla PM is no proof, and would likely not get him off the hook.
Aha! - but you must remember that in mafia, whenever we say vig the little disclaimer should pop-up:
There could always be a redirector 
and i am not picking on you draino but it was the first post i came across and fundamentally questions my reasoning. because i know that others want to see my pm as well.
look, i am niller town. i have no clue whether scum were provided cover roles or not. but i will be damned if i am going to give them a blue print of a niller town role.
i think that to be in town’s best interest. now you can hang me out to dry for this reasoning and to be honest that’s otay. i mean i sometimes don’t get why people do what they do in this game but ultimately it has to be up to the individual. and i don’t mean to be a nag but i win this game (both as town and scum) at a pretty good rate. now you could argue that i just get lucky with team mates, and i would tend to agree.
but even in lotr there was an agenda driving my play. some people thought it was distracting, even bothersome, but i had to do what i had to do to help.
and for some odd reason the folks on this board like to kill my ass early (lotr being an exception - oh shit i was town. oh fuck the other times i was town as well). it’s my blockheaded opinion that posting my pm would provide more assistance to scum than to town. am i right or am i wrong? i guess the Days to come will prove that.
The thing is, you’ve been pretty upfront about the fact that you’d rather bring your involvement in this game to an end sooner rather than later. So if you’re planning on being killed at some point soon, you’d be making your plans with that goal in mind. For example, you volunteered to hold and read the Book until it killed you.
So the question isn’t, “Why would Scum NAF, whose goal is to survive as long as possible, do these things which draw attention to him?”. It’s “Why would Scum NAF, who wants to leave the game sooner rather than later, do these things which draw attention to him?”
At which point the fact that you’ve caused a huge amount of controversy and drawn a lot of attention to yourself becomes plausible Scum behaviour - you would be successfully distracting attention from any of your Scum buddies.
I’ve got no objections to the day ending early. Though, I’ll be pretty busy this weekend, so it’s pretty inconsequential to me.
I’m finding Peeker increasingly scummy. Not only his refusal to post his PM, but also his feigned outrage at people’s votes for him. The case is valid. Yeah, it may have been an honest mistake or it may have been a scum slip. But, there’s no reason to get all pissy about it.
However, I believe that both Peeks and NAF are scum. And if NAF gets lynched today and still has the book, it will hopefully get buried with him. Frankly, I think the book is just a distraction. And while it may give the holder some special powers, I don’t think it’s worth all the attention we’ve been giving it. I think we’d all be better off to focus on getting scum and not worrying about the book. And, the only way I can see that happening is if the book is out of the game.
Though, I don’t know if Story will tell us about NAF’s possessions if he dies. So, it may still be a distraction if we don’t know it’s gone, whether it is or not.
Peeker! Oredigger has already posted a blueprint for a vanilla town role. In full. In this thread. It’s there in black and white. The scum already have such a blueprint. Not wanting to give them such a blueprint is not a good argument for not sharing your PM - they already have a vanilla PM to crib from. Do not worry yourself about it anymore.
I make the sign of the cross, sprinkle holy water on that sentence, burn it to ashes with my death ray, and drive over the ashes with Romanic’s big rig for good measure.
Sorry for my lack of participation toDay – it’s been a rather sucky week on the home front. I’ve poked my nose onto the board a couple of times, but haven’t had the oomph to catch up in this thread until now. So, time to figure out where I left off, and to see what the hell is going on that got peeker so many votes.