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1521

When I woke up this morning I had three people pinging my radar: peeker, Idle, and NAF

I was never swayed by the argument against peeker regarding his slip; the timing just didn’t seem right to me. I still believe that was an legitimate mistake, and his later ‘flip-flop’ over which post confused him was just a matter of him doing a poor job of explaining. But none of that means he isn’t Scum, it just means I don’t think those particular items are evidence of him being Scum. His refusal to post his PM, on the other hand, does seem to be evidence of his Scumminess. I ton’t buy for a second his argument that he would be giving anything away by revealing his role. First of all, the Scum have already been given a vanilla PM by Oredigger, and secondly that would be a piss-poor argument in any case. The only legitimate reason I can think of for peeker to not post his PM is if he is non-Vanilla Town. But if he was a Town Power Role, there’s no way he would have claimed Vanilla at the point where he did, with a dozen or so votes already on him.

I was suspicious of Idle’s flip-flop from the get-go. Why I’m not on his “list” I’m not sure, but I don’t mind being added to it, because it will harm neither of us if I’m investigated by him. I am inclined to believe Idle’s claim at this point. It does explain why he was suddenly less suspicious of NAF, and the timing seems appropriate.

Idle’s claim also supports my own feelings about NAF. I could never find a good Scum motivation in his actions. But I can find some motivation if he is a Third Party PFK. It’s awfully hard to win this game as a party-of-one, and NAF stated earlier that he wouldn’t have a big problem if he exited this game early. While it made no sense for him to do what he did as part of a group of Scum, it is a bit more plausible if he’s a PFK. He knows his chances of surviving to end-game are slim to begin with, so why not make a bold move with the Book at the start, and then see what kind of noise he can generate before his ultimate demise. Whether he would then have legitimately ‘lost’ the Book, or whether that was a calculated play he made based on peeker’s ‘slip’, I haven’t decided. I think it could go either way if he’s a PFK.

vote peekercpa

I know my vote here isn’t ‘needed’, but he’s the most Scummy to me right now.

1522

After reading Idle’s comments things seem to make sense.

2 Questions though for you, Idle

  1. Do you think it is possible that an action performed by the book could have resulted in an error? That is, not the book itself, but whatever NAF cast while holding the book?

  2. Are all of the Scum deadites? Wasn’t one of them human in the last game?

1523

  1. Nope, because that was my specific question, if you read my quotes above. Story assured me, it doesn’t matter either way. If I touch a demon, I die.
    He clearly said in the Night Action PM (that I got at Day start) that I touched NAF…and didn’t die. He went on to say NAF is not a Deadite (it’s all above).

  2. That I don’t know…but I wouldn’t say it was a reach to figure there could be some scum who aren’t Deadites. Story did say (as you see) “We offer no assurances that all your enemies are, in fact, Deadites.”

This makes it sound like some of Town’s enemies could be things other than Deadites. No idea if this COUNTS malicious third parties or not.

1524

Err…okay. Yeah. Making perfect sense here.

Please point out where each of us four were fishing for a role. Personally I explicitly discounted it. I don’t recall the other 3 doing it, though i wasn’t particularly looking. and of the apparently 5 other people who expressed concern at your flip…don’t you think that should tell you something?

1525

In the end it comes down to me not reading the peeker-post that way and me thinking that being a “claimed” Miller is an excellent place to play from a Scum point of view.

As for gaining suspicion for holding the book I didn’t see that coming from that many players. idle was the most outspoken about it - but I don’t recall more than 2 or 3 agreeing that it was really a problem.

1526

Idle, I’m inclined to believe your claim. But I think your suspicions are out of line. You are suspicious of people who noticed that something was wrong with what you were saying. Now you’ve admitted something was wrong with what you were saying. How is this any different from NAF fingering me earlier in the game? Town picks at things that don’t make sense. That’s what they’re supposed to do, isn’t it?

NAF, I still don’t trust you entirely. I think it’s possible that you are a SK, or that you are a human member of the Scum. That being said, I trust Idle’s claim enough to Unvote NAF1138.

Since my disbelief in Peeker was based primarily on a slip that realistically is only likely to have occurred if NAF was Scum, I think the case on Peeker is weak and should be unvoted. Yeah, Peeker’s being weird. But come on. Peeker still insists that he and Faramir were semi-masons in LotR even though Mahaloth, the moderator, has explicitly stated that there was no masonic relationship between them.

Peeker plays strangely. He does a lot of stuff that seems to make no sense. Actually, in one sense, it’s a good play style; I can’t think of anything that Peeker could do that would make him seem more scummy than he pretty much always seems. He may be scum in this game. But I can see him just as readily being Town. Or third party.

1527

I read Item #2 as saying that Scum=Deadites, but leaving open the possibility that there are other non-Scum (and therefore non-Deadite) “enemies” out there.

Of course there is a possibility that there are non-Deadite Scum, and I suppose there could be Deadites that are not Scum but are 3rd Party. But I’m comfortable for the moment that anyone who is touched by Idle and not marked is not Scum (but not necessarily Town).

I would point out that is appears a Godfather would not be immune to Idle’s touch if he is a Deadite. That would seem to leave open the possibility of a Human Godfather, I think.

1528

There’s nothing wrong with Idle’s logic and not a whole lot wrong with his claim. Sure townies could Idle a hard time for the BS he was selling, but the scum motives are obvious too (not just the possible-cop thing, but the fact that his change of heart was so very poorly rationalized, which made him an easy target), and odds are quite decent he’s attracted one or more of them. Assuming he’s town, it’s just a matter of picking and choosing appropriately among the people in that category to figure out who might be being less than honest with their motives. I can’t say whether he’s done due diligence with that; I’d like to see a summary of the posts in question. I can’t say I have any objection to the names he gave, as three of the four are on my own short list and Guiri has been relatively quiet; but I don’t honestly know whether I’d agree with him yet on the specifics.

However, regarding the important stuff:

– He did breadcrumb.
– The claim makes perfect sense of his change of heart.
– It was a solid choice of investigation target in the first place, in more than one way.

He’s probably telling the truth about his investigation. Assuming he is, his claim has essentially confirmed himself and also removed NAF from the pool of potential generic Deadites – those are not useless things, especially with the suspicion on them both and the spectre of a potential vigilante hanging about. So why the complaints? It’s just another aspect of the “anti-town” trope I complained about with respect to lilflower. What’s more important: whether Idle, in some hypothetical and longer-term sense, is being truly helpful to town, or whether we know right now that he (and to a lesser extent NAF) is town?

I think the latter. I inherently distrust disproportionate focus on the former.

Lilflower has gotten enough grief from me for one day – time to go back to you.
unvote
vote: Telcontar

Yes, there certainly is a credible way – someone else could have been discussing stealing the Book on the scum board, and the obviously somewhat disconnected peeker lost track of the timing, thought the Book was already in scum hands, and hence that NAF must have been talking about it somewhere in his comments. Or, more simply, that peeker was just skimming, said something that he realized shortly thereafter could be taken as damning to him, and covered it up poorly.

I do agree that a scummy NAF would have plenty of motive to make up a story about losing the Book.

So are you trying to say that there’s absolutely nothing to be found in the people who chose to give Idle a hard time? That opportunistic or power-role-baiting scum categorically cannot be distinguished from townies suspicious of the same person? Or is it just that particular list of names you object to? I’d like to see your evaluation of the comments today about Idle under the assumption that he is not mafia.

1529

Getting scared, are we? :slight_smile:
Look, you’re not going to change my mind. You and OAOWs are the only two voting for me, for one. You both have been the most aggressive in not believing me and questioning it when, as you pointed out yourself, it could have been I was some sort of investigative role. Well, I was. And now I think you were trying to force me to claim. Nothing you can do to change my mind.
It’s okay to be scared, though. :slight_smile: Your days are numbered in this game, good reason to be scared. :slight_smile:
And I’ve already pointed out where I thought Guiri was fishing when I addressed her about it…so go back and find it and stop skimming.

1530

Guiri is a guy.

Guiri is a guy.

Guiri is a guy.

1531

Sure he is. And your a girl. Riiiight.

1532

dammit. You’re a girl.

:sigh:

A perfectly lame joke made even worse by a typo.

1533

Wrong. The only person I’m suspicious of because of them finding something wrong with what I was saying is Guiri, and that’s because it seemed to be she was trying to get a feel for if I was some kind of investigator.

I’m suspicious of Guiri because she seemed to be fishing for any hint I was an investigating role.
Now, you may read that post and not get that from it…but I do.

I’m suspicious of OAOW because he voted for me, then voted for someone else, then voted for me again.
As I pointed out in this post, his actions make no sense. I find that suspicious.

And I was already suspicious of Telcontar from Day one (for the same reasons those who voted for him on Day one were).
My position stands. These three have been the most aggressive in trying to draw me out. Combine that with the other things I found shady by them (Telcontar’s Day one and OAOW’s nonsensical vote switching/history), I’m feeling good in my choices for future Night touching. Ooh la la.

1534

Arrrggghhhhh. I fear he’s become like Sach and CatinaSuit in my mind…a permanent “girl”. :frowning:
I’ll try to remember. :smack:

1535

So, i’m beginning to get annoyed with you in a non-game sense.

I EXPLICITLY DISCOUNTED THAT YOUR CHANGE OF HEART COULD HAVE COME FROM AN INVESTIGATION

Read that. then read it again. then read it again. Prior to your claim, to the best of my knowledge NAF would come up as scum to all investigations. So why would I ever have assumed that your change of heart would come from you being an investigator? If I thought it was possible you were an investigator, I probably would have given you more slack to avoid forcing a claim. Hell, if I were mafia then I would probably have given a suspected investigator even more slack because they’d eventually claim. What you’re saying just doesn’t make any sense. If your claim is real, then you have 1.) a role that no one has heard of before (well, it sounds a bit like Denathor’s false claim, but that’s about it) 2.) the only town role that could possibly have confirmed NAF as innocent last night. Expecting people to have played as if they knew what you were is silly.

NAF: Idle lists about 9 players who found his behavior suspicious and 4 who he thinks were role fishing (a claim he has not substantiated). If at least some of them weren’t scum, I’d be shocked. That’s a third of all living players.

1536

Yes, this is true.

Why are you addressing this to me? You did a fine job with that one all on your own.

1537

I’m all for ending the Day early on Saturday. I have an event to attend that day as well, so I’ll be away from about 10 AM EST until probably 9-10 PM EST. Given that. I’d rather have the Day end before I leave rather than after.

1538

Care to comment?

Unvote

I think I’d like to hear your reply before placing my vote toDay.

1539

Telcontar: I’m not understanding why you’re so shook up about Idle’s suspicion about you. OK, I can see that you think it’s unwarranted, but I didn’t see any votes against you until just a few minutes ago, so it’s not like you were ‘next on the list’. So what if Idle suspects you? What’s the worst he can do to you? If he fingers you, it more or less confirms you as Town…unless you actually are Scum, of course…

I just went back and reviewed all of your posts to see if there was a bunch of suspicious behavior that I missed on first read. I didn’t find a whole lot. there were a couple posts that might have been seen as fishing, but not anything that would have pegged you as likely Scum to me. In my opinion, your reaction to Idle’s FOS is far more suspicious than anything you’re done previously in the game.

1540

Which is pretty much what a scum would do, wouldn’t they, if they wanted to keep up the pressure without any suspicions of fishing? Whether they really believed it or not? I don’t see that as a point in your favor.

Again, it makes sense from a scum perspective. Not-scum Idle is all over NAF, all the way up to Dawn. Five seconds after dawn breaks he’s changed his mind, with BS reasoning to boot. Honestly, what can that say to scum, other than investigator? Unlike the town, they know it’s not scum BS. What makes more sense?
– Idle’s being weird, but it means nothing
– Idle’s an unconventional sort of investigator (see Guiri’s question about the Book that Idle just linked)
– Idle’s some bizarre third party that needed to change sides as regards NAF for who knows what reason

NAF: Idle lists about 9 players who found his behavior suspicious and 4 who he thinks were role fishing (a claim he has not substantiated). If at least some of them weren’t scum, I’d be shocked. That’s a third of all living players.
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