I disagree. I think he wanted to voice his (unpopular) opinion, and had the foresight that the 3rd or 4th poster would tell him to “rot in hell”, so he posted it in the pit, where it would wind up anyway.
Marc, if you are actually saying that you are mad that someone may find fat people attractive, then speak up and I will step down from this and apologize to everyone in this discussion for misunderstanding your post.
Yosemite, sorry if I over reacted.
I do understand the distinction that you describe.
Probbaly a bad choice. It’s essentailly been done and generated a fairly short-lived and civilise debate in which the proposition was fairly much eviscerated.
Furthermore rants at telemarketers, obnixious clients, arsehole bosses and usage of the rolleyes smiley have been done to death. Yet posters have to add his two cents in an offensive manner, why? I’m led to believe it’s because this is the fucking Pit and it says right there on the door that this is the place for rants. If people don’t like rants then why read the forum?
But hang on, many people find his attitude to be quite attractive. Who are you to say that an attitude is disgusting? Disgusting is in the eye of the beholder yada, yada, yada.
See how bloody silly it is to start condemning people for posting there opinions on what is and is not disgusting?
Una, there is a current Pit thread about White people having dreadlocks.
In part, it says:
That, to me, is far more inflammatory than what Marc said, and it is also based on a physical characteristic.
Why isn’t there a pile-on over there for that OP being shallow? why isn’t s/he called a bigot? Why doesn’t anyone wish that person to rot in hell?
Many fat people are just too damn sensitive about their weight.
mouthbreather, I see your answer to Sterra would likely apply to me as well. I guess we just have a different viewpoint.
Please hand me the white sequined glove.
I cannot for the life of me understand why such a thread needed to be posted.
I have lots of opinions, but I don’t think I need to share them all on this board. Some aren’t worth sharing. Some would just get people all riled up, trying to convince me I’m wrong. Who needs the grief?
And since when is the concept of fatness a shocking new idea that needs to be explored? It’s been done to death already.
Not that Marc isn’t entitled to express himself, or share his feelings if he feels he must. But he should have been able to anticipate what would happen. So, I don’t get it. Is this the result he wanted?
Well I’ve been around for a little while now so hopefully y’all know that I’m no troll. I don’t post messages and gleefully wait for the angry responses to pile up. I am surprised by the belief that I set myself up as the ultimate authority of what is beautiful and what is ugly. I must have missed that part of the OP. Oh well, live and learn.
Many of you may have noticed that I’m not the most sensitive of posters. Believe it or not this isn’t something I’m proud of and it isn’t something I do on purpose. I know it is shocking but take my word for it. It was unfair and by my own admission untrue to say that fat automatically equals ugly. It was also insensitive, probably hurt some feelings, and certainly angered others. As I said I’m not the most sensitive of posters but I’m not a complete bastard either.
So I apologize. Now MODs, please feel free to close this thread. It just isn’t a good Pit Thread when someone apologizes.
Marc
Depends on what kind of connotations you have of judgemental. To me, judgemental has negative connotations. If I feel a natural attraction to Sting, but nothing for George Harrison, I don’t think I’m being judgemental. I’m not making a judgement call on either of them, or saying one is better than the other. But one makes my heart pitter patter and the other doesn’t.
Because arrogance is a feeling of superiority. Therefore the person who decrees who is or is not ugly is implying that they are every so much better than the ugly person. Most people who insult come across as arrogant.
If you don’t judge anybody based on looks, why were you so quick to start a Pit thread over it? Why was it so important to point how ugly fat people were if it’s not something you judge them over? What other reason could you possibly have for placing a significant amount of the human population into such a category, if not for the purpose of judging them?
And what word did you mean, Marc?
I for one, appreciate Marc’s apology.
Whether or not it was meant for me, I want to thank you for it. If I came across as unnecessarily inflamatory, I also apologize.
Last call. Anybody?
Hey, this is the Pit don’t worry about it. If this place isn’t all about being unnecessarily inflammatory I don’t know what place is.
Marc
I understand, but I think you are making a judgement call on them (how they look) – how else will you know if they meet your “hottie” criteria?
Also, I don’t recall Marc saying that fat people were not better than others.
If I say that I find Aborigines to be ugly, does that mean I am saying I am better than an Aborigine? I don’t think so. I don’t see saying something is ugly automatically = feeling superior. YMMV.
My my my! MGibson, were you just bored last night and wanted to get a reaction out of people or are you really as ignorant as a person would have to be to think his opinion matters more than anyone else’s.
Before you group me in the “angry fatties” I’d like to say Yes, I’m overweight but No I’m not mad. I would have to care about your opinion for it to make me mad.
I’m more puzzled as to why you would even start something like this? Oh I get it. It’s one of those any attention-even if it is bad attention-is better than none at all things. Right? Am I right? If the shoe fits…
You seem like a pathetic shallow minded little man with an urgent need for attention and a distorted view of the value of his own opinion. Ok you don’t like “fat” people. I get it. You know what, I don’t care. I don’t care what you like or what you dislike. Why should I? Why should anyone?
:yawn:
I’ve always thought that if someone is going to criticize someone else’s looks, they’d better produce a picture of themselves and they’d better be pretty damned good looking. So MGibson, let’s see a picture of you.
Well, I have an idea why he started this thread. Maybe he saw how stupid it was for people to deny that it’s a simple fact that the majority of people in our culture find heavier people less attractive that thinner people. He knew it would be “debated” with a pile-on, so he conveniently put it here.
Extremely valid point.
Although I tried to couch it in how I react, rather than an immutable law of nature, you’re exactly right - the above is mean-spirited, and almost certainly untrue. To the extent it’s unfair to smaller women, I withdraw it.
- Rick
From the OP:
“Not being skinny enough for hollywood’s standards isn’t ugly. And having a couple of extra pounds isn’t ugly. But morbid obesity is certainly ugly.”
Sorry, folks, but I have to agree with the OP. Not the comments AFTER it, not all the little bullshit nit-picky “what about diseases,” “but I’m overweight” “but I like people who are overweight” ridiculous OP-ignoring sidetracks, but the OP: MORBID OBESITY IS UGLY.
Morbid obesity = a state of being obese in a manner in which one’s LIFE IS IN DANGER…that’s what morbidity IS. If someone’s, say, 100 pounds overweight but in all other ways healthy? Big whoop-de-do. If a person is 100 pounds overweight and this is, because of the person’s genetic make-up or history, life-threatening, then yes, it’s fucking ugly and they should do something about it.
A person who drinks socially and has a good time is a swell chap. A person whose liver is disintegrating due to alcohol abuse is NOT. A person who is overweight but reasonably healthy is just overweight. A person who is overweight and has been told by a doctor to lose weight or DIE and ARGUES is an IDIOT. We’re not talking about AESTHETICS when we use the word “morbid”…we’re talking about HEALTH.
Now, I can agree that the OP was misleading in that the thread title does not say “Morbid obesity is ugly? Well, yes.” It can be considered a trolling post because care was not taken to distinguish “fat” from “morbidly obese” when attempting to reconcile the topic and the actual OP. However, arguing that SOME people who are morbidly obese have actual medical problems and therefore are exempt…that’s SOME. SOME. Hello…SOME. SOME people are morbidly obese - obese to the point that their lives are threatened - because they are lazy self-indulgent morons. Sorry for not agreeing that there is nothing but inner beauty and shining light in a soul who is, fundamentally, eating him- or herself to death.
Don’t hate me because I’m not knee-jerk. Hate me because I care more about peoples’ HEALTH than their LOOKS.
Let me describe myself a little before I proceed:
I’ve been over 350 lbs. I’ve also been 185 lbs. I am currently 300+ lbs. I know, absolutely, firsthand, what an absolute gut-wrenching deep sucking evil nightmare from the deepest pits of nether hell it is like to lose that weight. I know, absolutely, firsthand, how effortlessly easy it goes back on. I have some qualifications on this subject.
I have no qualms about saying that anybody who has not been fat and gotten skinny has any idea what it is like and has no understanding of how difficult it is to be with people every day who eat exactly the same foods and gain no weight.
Here are the terrible facts:
Some people have the metabolisim to deal with whatever food they want, and it causes them problem zero. If you’re one of these people, consider yourself blessed.
If you’re not one of these people, you know it’s bloody hard to watch your 145 lb co-workers cram a half dozen large sweet rolls(Each!) in a meeting while you choke back your small, dry, nasty bran muffin with plain water.
You know what it’s like when people tell you “Boy, you need to get more excercise” when the act, for you, of standing, uses more calories than they burn in a day. You know what it’s like to sit down huffing and puffing after your evening treadmill session while your rail thin next-door neighbor sits on his patio and cracks another 40.
You know what it’s like to deal with the health problems, the blood pressure, the gobs of medication you have to take to try to stay alive.
You know what it’s like to look at the health care industry and wonder why they spend so much money on telling us we all need to lose weight because it’s so unhealthy, then do nothing to help us, make seemingly no effort to understand why two people with similar lifestyles can have such disparate metabolisims.Oh, maybe it’s because they stand to make so much money on treatments for the health problems we have!
If you don’t know, firsthand, what it is like, you could have some compassion, try to be understanding, try to understand, try to help, or, maybe, just SHUT THE FUCK UP. You don’t get it, you never will, and you have no right whatsoever to pass any judgement ot make any statement of any kind about the nature of weight problems, how difficult they are to combat, and how much work it is. Maybe you could make a comment about how unhealthy it is, or how “we’re eating ourselves to death”. You know, I think I’ll just stop eating right now that I’ve heard that, because** NOBODY HAS EVER SAID THAT TO ME BEFORE!!!** Like Nancy Reagan saying “Just Say No”, you have missed the point so entirely it’s like you’re speaking another language.
Excuse the foul mood, I just ate my single slice of dry toast breakfast and read this thread. It’s made me really happy, as you might be able to tell.
Carry on.
b.
Hama, how does one tell the difference by looking if someone is fat and healthy and fat with health problems as a result of being fat? I want to know so I can tell who it’s ok to consider “ugly.” And how about someone who’s skinny and healthy versus skinny and unhealthy?
I used to be 60 lbs heavier than I am now (and I could still stand to lose 20), so by the charts, I was probably “obese.” However, my blood pressure was perfect, my cholesterol was under 200 with great LDL/HDL ratios (even better now), and from the paperwork alone, if you ignored the weight number, I appeared to be in perfect health. I gained at least 40 lbs of the weight I loss due to a medication I was on that had appetite stimulation a side effect.
So was I ugly or not?
Porc I always thought you were beautiful because I’ve read your words and thoughts. Your physical beauty is just icing on an already sweet cake.
No I don’t need a date, just speaking the truth as I see it.