Fat is ugly? Well, yes.

The BBQ Pit
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A) "Some people have the metabolisim to deal with whatever food they want, and it causes them problem zero. If you’re one of these people, consider yourself blessed.

If you’re not one of these people, you know it’s bloody hard to watch your 145 lb co-workers cram a half dozen large sweet rolls(Each!) in a meeting while you choke back your small, dry, nasty bran muffin with plain water."

SOME PEOPLE. SOME PEOPLE. Thought I said THIS in my post. Hello. Way to not read.

B) “Hama, how does one tell the difference by looking if someone is fat and healthy and fat with health problems as a result of being fat? I want to know so I can tell who it’s ok to consider “ugly.” And how about someone who’s skinny and healthy versus skinny and unhealthy?”

Hrm. I can’t tell by looking. I don’t recall having said that I could. Way for YOU to not read, too.

“So was I ugly or not?”

Read my post. Re-read yours. Read mine again. Re-read yours again. I think I answered this question before you asked it.

Man, I can see why people get off on trolling…there are some people who will ignore anything they have to if it means they’ll get a shot in.

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That’s the only reason I posted in the Pit to begin with.

Of course I’m not mad. Why would I be mad?

Marc

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Well it might surprise you to find out that I think my opinion matters more then yours. I mean it is my life after all so why wouldn’t I care more about my opinion then I would others?

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Well apparantly you cared so little you simply had to post a reply. And of course you’re so ignorant as to think that your opinion is more important then mine.

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Oh yeah, I’ve got a history of started threads like these that just get all sorts of hits and get people riled up. You know so much about me. You must have taken psych 101 or something.

You must care. You took the time to post a reply. People who don’t care don’t take the time to post replies.

Marc

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Since your post hadn’t yet appeared when I was writing mine, way to be a moron, microcephalus. I can’t read something that doesn’t exist yet You completely mistakenly assume that my post was a response to yours, which it was not. You thought “Eating ourselves to death” was ORIGINAL WITH YOU? I’ve only heard that about a billion times. It is mere coincidence that I happened to post it briefly after you said nearly the same thing, which, had I SEEN IT, I would have quoted referencing you. Believe me, I wouldn’t have missed the opportunity.

Since I didn’t see your post first, and since you decided to jump in and accuse people of not reading before they post, let me clarify something for you, since you didn’t READ it first:

Way to NOT READ.
Got a weight problem? have you been morbidly obese? No? No idea what it’s like to deal with the problem? SHUT THE FUCK UP

Some people **SOME ** people, do in fact read.

Apparently, you do not.

And Mgibson, I have no beef if you don’t find fat people attractive. Hell, I don’t find myself particularly attractive. Either try to understand that it’s not a choice most fat people would willingly make, and it’s never as simple as making a choice anyway, or, well, SHUT THE FUCK UP :wink:

And try to have a sense of humor, futhuchrissakes. I love a fat joke. I invented most of them, and a lot of the rest were written about me.

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[sub][sub]whose momma always told him, if you don’t have something nice to say, then SHUT THE FUCK UP![/sub][/sub]

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“Since your post hadn’t yet appeared when I was writing mine, way to be a moron, microcephalus. I can’t read something that doesn’t exist yet.”

Since I’m not a remarkable psychic with the ability to tell that a post which appeared 14 minutes after mine and appeared to reference a couple of points I had made wasn’t actually a response to me, way to be reactionary, bozo..

“You thought “Eating ourselves to death” was ORIGINAL WITH YOU?”

Nope. But, like I said, your post was immediately after mine and appeared to reference things I had said because it, you know, appeared after mine.

“It is mere coincidence that I happened to post it briefly after you said nearly the same thing, which, had I SEEN IT, I would have quoted referencing you. Believe me, I wouldn’t have missed the opportunity.”

So you’re pissed…because I assumed you had quoted me…which you hadn’t…but if you’d seen mine…you would have quoted it. What? But I think the world revolved around me…because even though that wasn’t a one-shot original quote by me, you would have quoted it…dude, this is just too circular for me.

"If you don’t know, firsthand, what it is like, you could have some compassion, try to be understanding, try to understand, try to help, or, maybe, just SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Way to NOT READ."

I have had compassion, I have understood, and I have done what I could to help the couple of friends of mine who are/were morbidly obese. Since you say it’s “either/or,” well, I’ve done one, so I guess I don’t need to do the other. So no, although your invitation is tempting and eloquently offered, I’m not going to “shut the fuck up.” I can’t shut the “fuck” up, as I have no control over your keyboard.

“And try to have a sense of humor, futhuchrissakes. I love a fat joke. I invented most of them, and a lot of the rest were written about me.”

Sorry I don’t find anything particularly amusing about people who are morbidly obese, that is to say, people who will die if they don’t change their habits. I mean, I smoke. It’s unhealthy. But I don’t tell people who tell me I should quit that they should shut the fuck up. It’s a goddamned hard habit to break. It’s really bad for me. Eventually it could kill me. That’s pretty ugly. However, I don’t tell people who have never smoked that they should go to hell, and how there isn’t much help if I can’t afford a doctor to help me quit, and how everyone else needs to shut the fuck up about how bad smoking is for me.

I listen, thank them (or ignore them, depending on situation/ability), and I go on with my life.

Ugly isn’t all about LOOKS, or people couldn’t SAY ugly THINGS. When we do things that endanger our health, it is UGLY. The fact that I smoke is UGLY. The fact that you (or whomever) is morbidly obese is UGLY. The fact that people get cirrhosis of the liver from drinking too much is UGLY.

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Pity. You seemed like someone who might get it.

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Whoosh!!!

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Bolding Mine: Anyone see a pattern here? Can we say self-centered?

Did I say my opinion was more important than yours? I don’t think so. I’m saying your opinion is not more important than mine. I admit it was pretty ignorant of me to think I could teach you the difference.

It doesn’t matter what my educational background is. It doesn’t take a genius (or a psych major)to recognize when someone is behaving like a troll. Just because you have no history of this behavior doesn’t nullify what it is.

OK one last time, I don’t care what your opinion is, it is only relevant to you and you alone. I care that you are trying to imply that yours is the only true and correct opinion when that is certainly not the truth. Have you ever heard of tolerance,empathy or tact? Why not try to employ just a tad of these virtues instead of their polar opposites?

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I think what MGibson was saying was, to him, his opinion is more important that yours or anyone else’s. I think he was trying to make a point about the word opinion.

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Sit back and relax with me, and enjoy the pleasant whooshing sound. Want a pretzel? They’re unsalted, but they taste OK anyway.

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Awwww. You’re so adorable. I’d offer to take you home and feed you but…well, you know.

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How completely odd that someone would find their opinion to be more important then others.

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You’ve said that you don’t care about my opinion. If you don’t care about it then that must mean my opinion is not important. I can only assume that you care about your own opinions. If true then that must mean you think your opinions, which you care about, are more important then my opinion. Either that or you think opinions are meaningless.

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Again I’m confused. You’re saying my opinion is only relevant to me and me alone. It must be relevant to you because you’re sitting here bitching about it. If it was relevant to me and me alone you wouldn’t care whether or not it was the truth.

Marc

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chchchchngkkkk—uh what? was I snoring? the whooshing put me to sleep.

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I wasn’t going to post anything before last night because I thought the thread was just plain dumb.

But now this goddamn thread has affected me directly, so I’m going to vent.

Last night I had everything planned. A log on the fireplace. Hot cocoa being made. The lights dimmed. Jazz music on the stereo. The house cleaned (I even cleaned the toilet for God’s sake, the Toilet!). My GF mellow and in a lovey-dovey mood. In short I was getting ready for a wonderful night of, as Esprix would call it, playing tiddlywinks. Then she reads this thrice-damned thread.

Thank you MGibson. Because of you I had to console my depressed GF till the wee hours of the morning.

Thank you, you cantankerous piece of horseshit. Because of you, my entire evening was tossed asunder.

Thank you, you lowest of all lifeforms. Because of you, I woke up this morning with all the wonderful effects of a hangover, but none of the booze!

On behalf of myself, I would like to direct the following curses to MGibson:

1.) May you die being torn apart by wild dogs so you know the pain you have caused my GF.
2.) May you get cancer of the eyes so you never have to see a fat person again.
3.) May your sons and daughters all become morbidly obese so you can appreciate the irony of this thread 15 years from now.

And on behalf of my girlfriend and myself, a big resounding FUCK YOU!

I’m too angry to write anymore. I’m going to go out now and spend 40 dollars that I don’t have to buy flowers.

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MGibson, I am fucking laughing out loud at this thread. Of course, I noticed no one took me up on the “big is beautiful” challange, but oh well. We can’t expect people telling you what your opinion is to think clearly.

Lets see if we can do some language transformations, disregarding, for now, the fact that your previous posts indicated some reflection which demonstrated that fat is not equated with ugly automatically, and just pretend that they are synonamous for a moment.

“Fat is ugly.” Now, “fat” can be rather precisely defined (even if arbitrarily defined) as a matter of percentage of body fat for height and sex, for example. “Ugly,” however, is not itself so quantifiable. This is because it is a characteristic person A ascribes to person B based on a set of personal prejudices regarding the continuum of
beautiful<==>average<==>ugly
and I suppose we could even stretch it more toward “goddess-like” (or god-like) and “hideous” but I trust that isn’t strictly necessary to demonstrate the following point.

All uses of “is ugly” must be implicitly followed by the subjective modifier “to me.” Without doing so the phrase makes no sense.

So we now have the following sentence to work with.

“Fat is ugly to me.”

Now, is anyone willing to take the stand that “ugly” can actually be quantified?— that is, does anyone feel that the “to me” subjective modifier is strictly unnecessary? That there is some universal standard of beauty we can set? It could be just as arbitrary as my definition for “fat” was, no need to call on biblical scripture or anything. I would just be interested in seeing a quantifiable measure of “beauty” so I can appreciate this conversation more by knowing what the fuck is going on here.

Otherwise, and I think most fatties (I myself am slightly overweight) can agree: fat is considered ugly. Marc, you don’t have an unpopular opinion. I can’t get a date to save my life. I realize this is because of my appearance. Anyone who told me, “erl, you lose a few pounds and I’d go out with you” would spur me into action. But they won’t.

Why? I have no fucking idea. It is the truth; it is his truth and many other people’s truth. You fucking bastards in here are beating up Marc for telling it straight despite knowing he would probably take some abuse for it. Well, thanks for nothing. Fucking McCarthyist doublespeak bastards.

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JustPlainBryan:

You cleaned the toilet? I mean, the TOILET???

Man! :smiley:

JustPlain - please don’t seriously wish anything so terrible on MGibson (like life-threatening diseases, etc.) I am sure you were not serious, but it’s bad Karma to wish such stuff on other people. (So sez I!) It’s bad enough that he’s missing out on a lot of beauty in this world. So - whatever.

But yeah, I have to wonder why such a thread was needed. Who was it directed at? What was the point? What good has come from it? Did the fatties really need to be reminded that they are UGLY yet again?

But…Marc did apologize. It’s also bad Karma to not acknowledge an apology.

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JustPlainBryan - um, this is how you guys usually prepare for a blissfully luvdup evening…?

Reading threads with titles like “Fat Is Ugly”?!?

I’d have just stuck to the log-fire and groovy tunes meself, but whatever turns you on I guess…

Seriously though, did you (or your GF) really think that reading threads in the Pit is the best way to get “in the mood”?

When my young lady stops by of an evening I’m always under v. strict instructions to “unplug that bloody interweb thingy” (I don’t of course, but she don’t know that :)).
– Quirm

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Yeah MGibson, you deserve a painful death for stating your opinion, because fragile people like JustPlainBryan’s GF might disagree and get upset. You could ruin a person’s day!

Hey JustPlainBryan, maybe you should try to convince your GF to not get so worked up over a friggin’ internet message board? Just a thought.

If she really gets so upset that she stays up all night, she should likely stay away from the BBQ pit and Great Debates. Some stuff I read pisses me off too, but I certainly never lost sleep over it, or needed consoling.

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You’re right, yosemitebabe. I was just pissed off because I had a headache, I was sleep deprived, and was sick to my stomach. MGibson, I apologize, and I do take back my previous post. I don’t normally curse people, its just that today was the proper combination of many bad feelings.

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For a minute I thought you had missed the point until you got to the last line then you hit it right on the head.

Good boy.

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Sweet Christ this is a disgusting unholy mess of a thread. Someone needs to take it out back and shoot it in the head. Now.