Fat people

I think I’m going to go against my own current rules and end up posting quite a bit here, but not right now. I have more to read and some TV to watch, we’ll see if my issues get covered by someone else.

But in the meantime…I gotta ask:

I most recently read that you feel you might have simply worded your OP badly, and that you actually meant to say: “I am sick to my stomach of the sheer number of fat people (in the US, specifically) who are complainers.”

This leads me to ask: When you come to this country, and hoards of fat people descend upon you to complain about their weight, don’t you find that even a little strange? I know I’d find it damn strange, not to mention unnerving. I think you should get to the bottom of it, frankly. Something weird is going on…

I don’t consider the CDC’s “statistics” reliable because they’re based on definitions of “ideal body weight” and “obesity” that, in my opinion, have no scientific justification and are merely used because the “bulk of the experts” say they are probably correct. One wonders how many of the “experts” are on the payroll of diet drug or diet food companies…

As for my life, you apparently missed the point above where I mentioned my weight. I’m 6’0" and between 140 and 145 pounds. I am at the low end of what the medical establishment considers my “ideal weight”; the technical term is “toothpick”. Virtually the only spare fat on my body is in my breasts (although I do have a little bit on my butt now, for the first time since I lost my baby fat). The heaviest I have ever been is 155, and that was when I was swimming an hour each day, four to five days a week.

Big, I didn’t even see this backhanded snipe til after I answered your post. You obviously have not read this entire thread if you think I am just standing behind someone else’s statements; read back to Page 1 to see that I chimed in early on in an (all too futile) effort to bring sanity to the thread. Someone else even responded to my first post by saying that they usually don’t say “Right on!”, but they were doing so behind my post. So please watch who you’re trying to belittle there, especially when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Eft
I’m sorry that you see a personal insult in any of my posts. The only person I had a little flame for was JuanitaTech, whose words I think were hurtful and portray a negative stereotype. This stereotype was immediatley picked up on and repeated, and not only by you.

I agree with you that people who complain too much are a big pain in the ass. I also think that the image of a big, fat woman stuffing her face with five pieces of chicken and complaining about her weight is an ugly stereotype.
Peepthis, let me see if I understand you now. The analogy is between choosing to stink and choosing to be fat. Nope, the analogy still doesn’t work. One choice involves inconviencing others with your smelly presence, the other choice has nothing at all to do with other people.

Do I sound rude and highly offended to some people? Maybe it’s because I feel offended. It amazes me how fat people respond to threads like this. They all feel guilty. They all feel as if they’ve done something they must apologize for. Forgive me if I think it’s rude that this conversation had to even take place.

I’m fat. So what? Do I complain? Sometimes. So what? This is me. My body. Fuck all of ya’ll who can’t stand looking at me.

First off, thanks to Coldy for catching and moving this thread. Work and my home computer blew up at the same time.

Most everything has been said, and a few things that probably shouldn’t have been, but…oh, and just for the record, I’m not fat, i.e. well w/in normal limits. I’m dieting hard at the moment to take off 15 lbs. winter weight, but 1.) I lose weight fairly easily and rapidly and 2.) am so tall it takes a lot to even qualify outside the “normal” range.

Neither factor is admirable. They are both simply genetic flukes and good fortune. Okay, dieting may be laudable but even that is much easier than for many because the rewards are more immediate.

My sister is very heavy. Same height but entirely different bone structure and metabolism. She’s also dieting; when I lose my 15 I’m gonna tackle quitting smoking to still keep her company. (I can’t do both at the same time, moral weakling that I am.) Health is the prime motivator for both of us.

But she is, without compare, the kindest, funniest, warmest hearted, honest-as-the-day-is-long, hardest-working person on the face of this earth. Anyone who imputes character flaws to her based on her body build would be the fool and the loser. Sure, she moans some about her weight and the pains of dieting. So do I. Short rations can make you edgy, headachy and grumpy. Exercising is more painful because there’s more weight to shift and muscle to build.

But no matter. Body mass is not an indicator for character.

That said, I do wish restaurants would offer reduced portions for reduced prices as an option. I can rarely eat everything served and at lunch especially don’t want to–or can’t–haul around a takeout box of the leftovers.

FWIW, my mom (whose build I inherited) never had the slightest problem w/ weight until old age. She grew up in the depths of Depression and had all the food-hoarding instincts that went with it. But even she said restaurant portions had gotten much, much larger over time. (She also stocked her purse w/ baggies to tote away leftovers, but that’s another story…) Comparisons between countries is a pointless exercise because there are too many exceptions. But some of the perception could be due to large chains, e.g. TGIFridays, etc. that make huge portions the norm.

Veb

And on what do you base this opinion, pray tell? More importantly, what evidence would convince you?

I base my opinion–that it is far more difficult for those who are obese to lose weight than those of normal weight realize–on 20 years of living as an obese person. I have tried diets, I have tried exercise. I have lived with being miserably hungry and I have tried to accept myself and not feel guilty. I have tried eating whatever I want so that I don’t crave things. Currently, I am trying using a treadmill every day and eating a mainly low carb diet. The results? 20 pounds lost and regained, pretty much no matter what I do. But I will keep on trying, because it is all I can do.

I also know of some excellent research in which colonys of rats were bred so that the fattest rats were bred to one another, as were the thinnest. After several generations of this, they were able to create offspring such that ** even given the same diet and exercise**, the rats differed widely in weight. (Sorry no cite, but I know this research IRL, not online.)

Look at the way ethnic groups differ in terms of weight and fat distribution. Sure, eating patterns differ, but if weight were a simple matter of calories, why would fat distribution differ by ethnicity? Wouldn’t we all have fat asses or big stomachs?

Everyone talks about seeing fat folks eat fried chicken, etc, but what about the skinny folks who can do that and not gain weight? Don’t they blow your “you could lose weight if you just tried” theory? If most thin people ate well and exercised, I would agree with you, but they don’t. Sure, some do, but most don’t.

I know I am wasting energy trying to convince you, wbmastr. You can’t–and don’t want to, I suspect-understand how hard some of us try to lose weight. And you will never understand how painful it is to read ignorant opinions like yours.

You are wrong. My girlfriend, years ago, starved herself for months, to the point that she nearly died (at one point, she passed out on a city street and might well have died except for the kindness of a homeless man), and yet was still at that point still 15% to 20% over her so-called “ideal weight”. This was on a diet of about 200 to 500 calories a day. This was decidedly unhealthy for her, and to be honest I think her life expectancy today at slightly over twice her “ideal weight” is probably a lot longer than it would be if she had tried to maintain this fiction of “medically appropriate body weight”.

Perhaps her case is unusual, but it’s definitely anecdotal proof that the so-called “ideal body weight” is a load of crap, at least in some cases.

Don’t know if this proves anything but that she was not trying to lose weight properly.

Let me try this one last time: Some people stink, and are okay with that fact. Some people are overweight, and are okay with that. Some people dress extremely scantily, and are okay with that. I’m not talking about people who have complexes about their weight; I’m referring to people here who say “I’m fat, I’m proud, pass the cheesecake and stop judging me.” Okay, do what thou wilt (like I said earlier, my family is not a paragon of fitness). If this still doesn’t make sense to you, please remove all the multi-syllabic words and the “smelly example.”

But that still doesn’t address my question (which by this point seems entirely irrelevant): are you offended by people who wear clothes that would make Brittany Spears blush? Maybe you are, maybe you aren’t. But what if that person responded, “I like what I’m wearing so F-You”? I’m just trying to figure out how much open-mindedness people on the SDMB (of whatever weight) display in their lives.

Right on the first page of the Pit, for example, I see a thread titled “Put Some Clothes On, Brittany.” Is she providing a poor example to kids? Maybe. It could also be argued that extremely overweight people provide a physically unhealthy example. Again, maybe. That’s why I’m asking.

Have I got a thread for you!

Personal Appearance Flamers - FUCK YOU!

Don’t worry, sweetie, I like a little chunk in my trunk. Thanks for the compliment. :slight_smile:

I think you must be. If someone posted something along the lines of “Mexicans!” or “Black People!” I don’t think it would be much of a stretch to assume that Mexicans or black people might peep in and see what was going on.

Lemme get this straight: Fat people are disgusting. That’s enough right there. But when they have the fucking indecency to complain about it, well that’s just wrong. Especially if they happen to be eating at the same time! Then they’re just wastes of flesh. But what really ticks you off is when you attack them and they fight back? What the fuck is wrong with the fat people in today’s society?!

It’s almost like…like they think they have rights or something. What a crock of shit! Hardy har har. Crack my fucking face! Bend me over backward and whip me with a wet rope!

No one can argue their way out of fat, my friend. Every day of their lives they are confronted with it. Every time they look in the mirror, every time someone gives them the once-over and doesn’t smile, every time they get dirty looks for having the gall, the absolute, unmitigated gall!, to eat in public. I don’t mean to speak for everyone here, but you aren’t just going to make blanket statements about a class of people and then expect them to smile and say, “Sure thing! Can I have another taco?” If you didn’t want an argument, fuckface, maybe you should’ve just vomited your opinion up your ass, where it belongs.

This reminds me of when an unmentioned party in the Fat vs. Thin thread described fat people with their fat asses hanging out of too-tight pants - no, wait, you just have to read it:

Gee, that was special. :slight_smile:

And in response I said (now I’m quoting myself!):

I hope that doesn’t seem self-aggrandizing or anything, but I liked what I said there.

You are making a blanket stereotype like the OP in that thread was - that all Fat Americans just need to get off their asses and exercise because they are disgusting as hell. Well too fucking bad:

Amen, Biggirl.

Well, perhaps the time has come to tell my own story:

When I was a kid, I grew FAST. You know those amusement park rides for kids, the ones that say “you must be BELOW this line to enter”? Never been in one; I was over the line by age 7. In elementary school, I was growing so fast that some of my bones (the smaller ones, mostly) couldn’t keep up, and it was painful to walk for a while. I reached a height of 6’2" in around the 6th or 7th grade, and I’ve stayed there ever since.

The lowest weight I can remember in my semi-adult life was 235, in high school. I reached that weight by spending 6 months eating no breakfast, going to the school’s weight room and lifting instead of eating lunch, eating half a normal portion at dinner, then usually going to a martial arts class for an hour or so. And I still didn’t look “thin”, because my frame won’t permit it.

In college, after a girl I really liked dumped all over me, I decided that “looking good was the best revenge”. So, for a semester, I was lifting weights daily, running stairs, and hitting the heavy bag. I ate nothing in the dining halls but vegetables, rice, and noodles, forcing myself into the mindset that “food is not meant to be pleasure, it is fuel”. And I began to take the caffeine/ephedrine/aspirin “stack” four times a day, plus additional supplements when I lifted. I didn’t go so far as to take actual steroids, but I was so full of pills I practically rattled when I walked. Results: a rock-hard frame and a few notches tigher on my belt. And I still didn’t look “thin”, because my frame won’t permit it.

When I noticed my sleep cycle getting fucked up by the mega-doses of caffeine I was taking, and that I was starting to think and act with a short and violent temper, I stopped taking the pills. Because I had graduated and was on my own, I could no longer rely on the dining hall for a variety of veggies, and it’s a royal pain in the ass to cook for one. So, the weight came back.

Today, I still lift, but no longer to the point where I want to vomit after my workouts. I’m a big dude, and I’m certainly overweight, but the effort required to be “thin” is simply not worth it. Thing is, because I have such a large frame, I don’t think I look excessively overweight. I am mighty tired, though, of jackasses trying to insult me into weight loss programs that make me miserable with minimal results. I’m more healthy now than I was in college, certainly, and I sleep better at night. So go piss up a rope, you ignorant stick insect.

You wanna see a picture of me, go to the People Pages. The jersey I’m wearing in that photo is a XXL. Keep in mind that there’s supposed to be room for shoulder pads under that jersey, for a guy with an average frame. As if.

I saw your picture, Max. You’re cute! Don’t change a thing.

Oh, I know that I should not do this. There are something like, what 12,000 registered posters on the board, and around 130 people have visited this thread, though some more than once, so narrow it down to around 110.

DISCLAIMER: (My rant does not include those with various medical conditions causing obesity nor those taking medications which causes weight gain or those otherwise physically unable to reduce their weight.)

No one actually agrees with webmaster, though from general statistics in the US, fat is not all that accepted. Yet to be PC, everyone has to accept fat, be kind to fat, understand fat, be sympathetic because fat became fat due to various trauma in fat’s past or because of genetic tendencies or illness or medication. The basic styles discourage fat. Not many exercise infomercials show fat using the over priced and not very effective machines they are selling.

Carrie Wilson just went from fat to attractive. Roseanne Barr trimmed off some fat, but still remains fat. I’m still working on wondering why most black women as talk show hosts are poster children for fat. The TV sitcom, The Parkers, is about sexy (??) fat. I don’t watch it.

I went shopping during the holidays and was inundated by fat. Fat women, fat men, fat girls, fat kids! Fat! Fat! Fat! Fat women wearing tight shorts or stretch pants that display a yard of butt! Fat men waddling along wearing jeans that clearly showed their inability to locate their ‘thing’ hidden under that projecting shelf of fat. Fat momma’s discussing sex and me wondering how ‘he’ could even find ‘it’ through all of the rolls of flesh. Fat girls stumping along dressed like guys, determined to be independent fat, daring skinnies to make any fat comments, pushing shopping carts heaped up with enough chow to feed 6 people, most of it high calorie stuff.

Fat men and fat women who camp in the aisles and don’t budge an inch to let anyone else by. Fat kids at the local buffet, heaping up plate after plate of chow, especially sweet desserts and then washing it all down with diet soda. (I just love the hell out of that.)

Huge fat on TV, like rappers, acting like every woman in town wants their blubbery bodies, leering lasciviously out at buxom slender dancers, bragging and trying to grab their crotch, but having problems getting past the enormous acres of stomach.

Fat lives on Jerry Springer, comes out in sheer, silky, low cut clothing, then gets enraged when slender husband/boyfriend cheats on them with a smaller woman. Fat couples flab onto the show and brag about sex and I try not to hurl as unwanted pictures of saggy, baggy, sweaty, obscenely nude bodies attempting an elephantine coupling, complete with rolls of gelatinous skin hanging down flash through my thoughts.

Fat Chicano’s strut onto the stage wearing tent-like clothing, bragging about what studs they are and I wonder if they can even reach behind to wipe their asses. Then, the inevitable fat attacking fat, the ponderous surging of heaviness on the stage, massive boobies swing like partially filled sacks of oil, great bellies extend feet over groins, which sport a smaller, secondary ‘belly’ and asses a yard wide bounce.

Faces turn into grotesque parodies of humanity, appearing to be masks of wax-like melted mean, like out of old wood cuts from some 18th century book, or in an early 1900s fairy tale story.

Why to fat women so often wear short hair which turns their heads into something like a cantaloupe sitting on top of a watermelon? Why do fat men so often wear shaggy beards that extend the size of their head until it resembles a pumpkin on top of a watermelon?

I recall fat, mouthy women in bars. They almost always seem to start the trouble. I wonder why fat, tall men buy tiny economy cars that list to one side when they drive up and they have to fight to get out of.

Why are so many older rednecks card carrying members of fat city? Why do so many of them live in Texas? Why do short, fat, hairy, New York City older men of Italian heritage insist on wearing tiny spandex swimsuits on the beach, that they can’t see below their enormous bellies anyhow, tons of huge gold rings and just have to eye up the young, pretty girls while insisting that they could give them the rides of their lives?

I get tired of being politically fat correct. I’m 30 pounds overweight, but I don’t let it get any further and I certainly don’t whine about it. I’ll never let it get to the point that I have to lift it out of the way to see my thing or the tops of my shoes.

I’ve run into ex-girlfriends who, 15 or 20 years ago were trim and slim and pretty, who now are fat and bitchy looking, complaining about their weight, wearing clothing that makes them look like lesbians and makes me glad I never married them. Their fat kids are pale, pasty, mouthy and bratty, who spend way too much time inside playing video games instead of outside running off the blubber. They grumble about their lousy husbands, who are big, but not fat, and don’t seem to realize that hubby started getting lousy when they gained tonnage and could no longer fit into that sexy underwear.

Americans and Germans have the copywrite on fat, though the Germans have a historical excuse. Americans have scores of excuses for being fat, having fat kids, demanding that everyone else understand and accept their fat and accommodate their bulk.

Know how I loose weight when I want to? I get off of my ass, I work harder and I eat less calories! Plus, if it ever gets to the point that I can’t trim my belly, then it’s liposuction, baby! That fat never comes back because the process removes the fat cells.

I, for one, am speechless.

Hi Mark.

Feel the power of the dark side webmastr.

It looks like the master has returned :rolleyes:

Ok everyone betting is now open.

I’m going to make a wild, out of left field, wacky guess, leap to a conclusion, and speculate that you have a tiny little problem with fat people…am I right?

I want you to know I feel your pain. Must be hell to get up every morning and have to be you. I’m really sorry, guy.
stoid

Evasion.
You’ve slithered and qualified but this wasn’t the thesis behind your OP. You stated a direct link between character and body size.

You can’t have it both ways. Not trying is whiny self-indulgence. Trying too hard, or “improperly” is stupid.

Your sweeping, magisterial equation is indefensible because it crams infinitely variable people into neat categories of your chosing. If nations, nurtering, histories, stories, sustenance, human works-in-progress won’t squish into your neat categories it’s due to your lack.

Your vision is limited, your aesthetics crimped and your knowledge pitifully circumscribed.

“We’re all prisoners of our own minds”–Asimov.
You’ve chosen a very stark prison for yourself.

Veb

Here are a few pics of me. The first one makes my stomach look a lot bigger than it is because of the way my shirt is riding up…

http://rampages.onramp.net/~daryls/jandme.jpg

http://rampages.onramp.net/~daryls/mcandme.jpg

http://rampages.onramp.net/~daryls/meincar.jpg
I’m 6’5" and 290 lbs. in those pics. Height/weight charts say I am around 100 lbs. overweight. I am ‘extremely obese’. I do think I am somewhat overweight, but I can’t imagine being at my ideal weight of under 200 lbs. - one summer when I got down to 245 I was very skinny and was (jokingly) accused of being on crack. Part of the reason why something like 60% of Americans are overweight is that our standards are not appropriate for a large percentage of our population.

I do understand people’s frustration with people complaining about being fat while eating 4000 calories a day and never exercising. I don’t have anything against fat people, many of my friends are overweight. All of them eat a lot and never exercise, but that’s their lifestyle choice. I could be in a lot better shape if I didn’t eat such huge portions and if I got out and walked or went to the gym - but I don’t complain about my weight, and if my friends started acting like victims because of their weight I wouldn’t be their friends anymore.

I don’t think it’s fair to make fun of fat people you don’t know. They could have a medical condition (though that’s pretty rare), they could just enjoy eating a lot. I think in cases where you know the person is fat because of their own laziness and bad eating habits and they try to claim to be a victim you have the right to call them on it for being a hypocrite.