Heh. I got 8 lines into AVSC916’s post before I thought the same exact thing, yosemitebabe. He’s really not trying very hard. Or else he is much dumber than I give him credit for – Probably the latter.
Webmstr: I fully respect your right to complain about anything. I, for one, however, am not bothered by shortness, tall people, fat or thin people, gays or straights. My only responsibility is to focus on myself as far as appearance is concerned. Usually, when one is disturbed as much as you about fat people, there is an underlying reason in your case far deeper than what you stated above.
Latent homosexuals often are totally disgusted when they see a gay or lesbian person.
Have you had any unhappy bad experiences with fat people anytime in your life to date that might be the nidus for your hostility?
I think the thing that is unclear (by some) is, “victim” of what? If they complain that they are a victim of a slow motabolism (while they obviously have terrible eating habits) then they might be full of shit.
But if they are upset about being victims of the cruel, unsolicited remarks of assholes, I think they have every right to complain. What about all those “No Fat Chicks” bumper stickers, and other cruel remarks? (Like some of the comments made on this thread?) What about the oinks and moos that are directed at the overweight person who is doing nothing more than walking down the street? I think fat people have every right to feel like they are “victims” when they receive that kind of treatment.
Yeah. There were several themes in his rant that were very familiar. Deja vu.
Could someone please explain, or am I the only confused one here?
Hmmm… It is a long story.
I don’t really want to say too much. Suffice it to say, about a year ago, some fellow had a VERY simular rant about fat people. Most of us old-timers remember him, his style of writing, his particular quirks.
I know I should stay far, far away from this thread, but I do have a question.
Is it possible that aside from metabolic rates, some people have a greater craving for food then others?
Because I only really eat a lot when I exercise a lot. This week has consisted of almost exclusively office work. As a result, my eating has gone down to a plate of spaghetti and a multivitamin yesterday, and a humus pita and some fries today.
I’ve been actually thinking of going on the reduced calorie diet in a few years (the one based on the idea that animals live 30% longer in a reduced calorie situation - possibly body saying that now is not a good time for reproduction, better to focus on keeping this body together?) and I don’t think I’d have that hard a time doing it. Assuming, that is, that it doesn’t prove harmful - I know some people have lived on it for up to ten years now, but it’s too early to know how it affects human lifespan.
So back to food cravings.
What is it like anyway? Do people get physical pain when they don’t eat X calories or Y grams of substance a day? Is it a mental thing? Is there a pleasure rush? Dunno, food is fun and all, and I like doing gourmet cooking at home, but it just isn’t a big deal if I’m essentially living on bread and water. (for weeks in the dorm lived on apples and peanut butter and cherry jam sandwiches with multivitamins on the side - probably not the healthiest diet)
Could this be because my mom raised me strict vegetarian?
Is it environmental or genetic?
Anyway, realise a pit thread is not a good place to get into this, but people’s talk of biology piqued my curiosity.
Hm 0310. Time to get some sleep before people find me still in the office. 'Night all. 
Understood. Thanks for the explanation, yosemite!
It is not the fat people themselves that burn my ass but the gluttony, waste, and excess which (to me) they portray.
In my experience this is also far, far more prevalent in the US; it is thus no small coincidence that the rest of the world looks at the US as one big garbage can. Not saying that is right or wrong; just a fairly broad perception.
Um - is Mark someone I should know?
TVeblen: Now be nice; there is nothing wrong with my aesthetics.
My OP did not state a direct link between character and body size; it indicated a perceived link. I said people look unhealthy and unattractive, and look like they have no will power. That is how they look to me. Do obese people look healthy and attractive to the majority of the population? To they project a sense of strong will and dedication? Sorry, not to me.
But you have a point; I agree where you say I can not have it both ways. I have a minor problem with that though. I have known some people with serious weight problems who indeed said they were trying - they were buying low-fat food, or diet food, and were walking here and there, etc. Problem, of course, was the junk food and snacks in between all those low fat meals, and the ice cream bars they ate while out walking. If they were really trying, wouldn’t they stick to reasonable portions of low-fat food (or at least healthy normal food) and skip the ice cream while walking?
MadSam I am not disturbed about fat people. I dislike the excesses, waste and gluttony I see in the US and the unusually high number of extremely obese people I see there. I also am not bothered by shortness, tall people, gays or straights, whatever, because these are things that, indeed, are not of their choosing. My point (again!) is that I think the majority of fat people could lose weight if they tried, at least to a point that brings them down to merely ‘overweight’. If you don’t look overweight, what’s the problem? I am not going around with a scale. This is one of those touchy-feely areas, but I think we are pretty clear as when someone is just on the heavy side, and when the person is obese.
Although…hmmmm. If you can’t measure it, you can’t judge it, I have always thought. So… am I talking myself out of my own argument here?
The Pit and flames in general I am actually a bit disappointed. After all the dire warnings, I was expecting some serious shit to hit the fan.
There really can’t be another Board like this. Sometimes I could swear that instead of clicking a link, I must hit a hidden ‘surreal’ button and my monitor leads me into some kind of insane Malice in Wonderland world.
What time is tea, Mark ?
I don’t really get food cravings - occasionally I will get hungry, but usually only when I only ate a little the day before. What leads me to overeating is (A) enjoying the taste of food and (B) not wanting food to go to waste.
I enjoy good food, and I will eat something that I like even if I am not hungry. If I am ordering at Taco Bell, I will usually get around $7 worth of food if I have that much money, which can be a lot. Also, I hardly ever leave food on my plate when I eat out, and at home I know leftovers will probably be thrown out in a few days, so I don’t leave any.
This is counteracted by the fact I usually only eat once a day.
I’m starting to worry there’s not going to be enough cups…
Badtz, don’t be so sure that only eating one meal per day is “counteracting” anything. It may actually be doing extra damage to your waistline, since this is the same way Sumo wrestlers eat: nothing for breakfast, then gorge for lunch, followed by a nap. Come to think of it, that sounds like most every college students’ diet! No surprise the freshman 15 comes so easily! (not to mention the none-too-salutary effects of alcohol to the calorie count).
FWIW, one suggestion for successfully losing weight is eating numerous (5-6) smaller healthy meals throughout the day. This cuts out snacking and keeps the dieter from feeling starved. And, of course, exercise.
Nope, wrong reply. you really are full of shit, webmastr. Methinks you are beginning to like getting roasted.
IMO, Nacho answered your OP to the best of her ability. Her ability was hampered by the fact she probably had to drop several levels of evolutionary intellegence to even make sense of the crap you spewed in the OP. your post was probably the most strenuous thing your mooking wankmop of a brain has ever had to produce. It was simply a rant against “fat” people. I’m sure you are Mr. Fucking Perfect :rolleyes:
As for your comment about the people who say they are fat, I have one small question.
In your extensive travels, have you ever actually made it out of your own ass?
From Hells Heart I stab at Thee,
John
If loving Hamburger Helper Cheeseburger Macaroni means that I’m going to have a bit of a tum-tum, then so be it!
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I understand exactly what you are trying to say. You are making an analogy between fat people, stinky people and scantily clad people. I’m saying your analogy doesn’t stand. After I said your analogy doesn’t stand, you just repeated it and added that I might be stupid because I don’t understand it. It doesn’t matter how many times and which way you re-word it. It’s not a good analogy.
In order to be a role model, impressionable people have to want to be like you. No one wants to be fat.
You shouldn’t have posted at all
Then stay home
Then assume the best about people until they give you a reason to think other wise. I didn’t think you were a total moron until this post…
First thing you said I agree with
So, your saying those people, if they could change their skin color and didn’t then it would be ok to target them, but since they are cursed and can’t be like you, you won’t hold it against them. The point is, that there is nothing wrong with them, or me and we don’t need to change because it disgusts you.
Why does this even concern you.
Who is looking for an excuse?
They shouldn’t have to “do something about it”.
Like anything else it’s a trade off. Would I like to be a little thinner? Sure, (most people could find something they wood like to change about themselves physically) but it is not worth the disruption in my life to spend all my limited free time for. That said, I’m ok with how I look., and how I feel, and I am not trying to convince myself about anything.
Is your thinking wrong? Did you actually think about any of this crap before you typed it? I’m amazed.
What is normal? I don’t see people in Hollywood on the street, I see them on the screen. They for the most part don’t look like the people I see around me at work, on screen or off.
You really should spare yourself
When i was a teen, I put on some weight. I was 5 foot tall and got up to 168. I moved to California and had a good P.E. class, the first one in my life that was about how to be fit and not how to humiliate the unpopular. I began to lose weight because I increased my activity level significantly. I got down to 145 and I felt great. I was a size 14, with measurements of 42-28-38. I was still fat according to many assholes who chose to oink, moo and otherwise belittle me.
I moved again and when I visited a physician for an unrelated matter he told me that that I was dangerously overweight. I gave me a diet to follow. Pretty basic stuff, cut out fatty or sugary foods, and if I did not see weight loss in a few weeks, cut out red meats, eggs, cheese, past, rice. If I still did not lose weight, reduce the over all portion size until I saw weight loss. Maintain the effective caloric level once weight loss was achieved. I did this. I was active as well. I slowly lost some weight. I experienced headaches, nausea, dry heaves, dizziness, weakness, vomiting and sometimes passed out. I kept at it as the doctor had said this was important to my health. I asked about these symptoms and was told that they were normal and i could help control the nausea by eating a saltine when i felt sick and that helped some. I got down to 135. I could not realistically cut my calorie intake and still function. I was praised for my will power by people I knew. They also encouraged me to keep up the work and soon I would lose the rest. I did my best. I got much sicker. When I vomited and passed out when trying to eat a normal breakfast to please my father, I was taken to the emergency room. I had to give urine 4 times before they would believe the results. I, a still overweight girl, was starving. The doctor quizzed me about my eating habits and was appalled. She convinced me to stop my calorie restriction and try to eat normally. She said that I was ruining my body. She admitted that people would perceive me as fat but told me it was not worth dying over, and that is what I was risking.
It was not easy to begin to eat again. Along with the nausea, I had to battle public perception. Everyone who saw me eating any normal food told me of their disappointment in my lack of willpower. They tried to talk me into “being good” and not hurting myself by stopping the diet. I gained weight, but the headaches and other symptoms went away.
I know how to lose weight. I know how to eat a tiny but well balanced diet. Never have I lost any weight without experiencing the horrible symptoms I had back then. I have the willpower to do it to, but it simply is not worth it.
Today, I am quite fat, and happy. Every aspect of my health is as good or much better as it was when I was dieting. My weight, 265, does not interfere with my life at all. My husband and lovers revel in my body. I am still strong, flexible and have pretty good stamina as well. I in no way deserve the nastiness and hate spewed by your ilk. Waste? Lack of willpower? You don’t even begin to know the meaning of willpower.
It’s not just people who are fat that complain about their weight when they eat. It seems to me that it has become a social thing, especially among women. At the office potluck for Halloween, I heard normal-looking women say “Oh, I know that I shouldn’t have this macaroni salad-it goes right to my hips!” and “Well, I guess it’s crackers for lunch tomorrow!”
There seems to be an expectation That everyone will think that they are being a pig for eating if they don’t apologize for it by indicating in some way that they are aware that eating is ‘bad for them.’
It is a societal thing, because of how many times we are told that being fat is bad, being fat is disgusting. What happens is that you end up with a bunch of fat people with the urge to apologize for eating. That’s why they are eating while ‘whining.’ There are a lot of societal assumptions about people who are fat: They eat a whole lot more than I do, they are stinky, they are lazy, they are slobs, they are greedy, they are gluttonous, they are stupid…
There are girls that are 9 that feel the need to diet, that are ashamed of their weight. While there may be 9 year olds that could use more exercise, dieting is not the way to go. Few enough children are fed balanced meals, and to be honest, I don’t think that such a thing should even occur to a child that young. In my view the American culture is media-obsessed, but more than that, even, we are image-obsessed. There is amazing pressure to conform, especially during middle and high school. One of the (many) problems with this is teen dieting. Teenage girls who diet are more likely to become fat than girls who don’t, even if they weren’t fat to begin with. There are psychological reasons for being fat, there are genetic, cultural, socioeconomic and environmental reasons, too.
This is a multifaceted issue that is not as simple as “go get some exercise, and stop eating so much!” Scientists are studying it, and they wish that they knew more. There is a very good study on voluntary weight loss here. webmastr, it would be more appropriate (in my opinion, of course) to feel sorry for folks that are fat and complain about it, not disgusted. I’m fat and I certainly don’t complain. I get enough people who treat me badly just because of my appearance. Quite honestly, I often forget that I’m fat. This is a big change from the shame and discomfort that I used to feel in public, and I think that I am healthier for it. My girlfriend still has body image problem. When she was 9 her mom decided that she was too fat and put her on the slim-fast diet. One of the many reasons that I dislike the woman. There is a problem, yes. There is no reason to despise the folks that are having the problem, especially when you are only peripherally effected.
Curious choice of words, webmastr. Very curious.