FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024

The metaphor is apt. Hippos are aggressive shit flingers, literally.

Protect a thousand hippo calves from crocodiles, but do they call us hippos protective, caring, and even heroic? No. Help maintain the balance of thousands of miles of riverine ecosystem, but do they call us ecologically careful and environmentally beneficial? No. But fling one load of dung…

We seem to be having difficulty focusing here…

Yes. They are proceeding as 2 investigations, one focused on the Mar-a-Lago documents violations and the other on the January 6th insurrection activity. Both are being overseen by Jack Smith.

Moderating:

There is a mod note earlier in the thread directing others to cease with this thread hijack. It applies to you, too.


As for the newer hijack re hippos, drop it now or risk warnings.

If Jack Smith is looking into Georgia vote tampering by Trump, I think that would be three…

I think that falls under January 6th happenings, because it’s all related to the efforts to derail Biden’s certification as president.

ETA: Here’s a thread I created awhile ago to discuss DOJ’s and Jack Smith’s efforts once the January 6th Committee has closed up shop:

as i understand it, they are looking at federal violations in documents, false electors, vote tampering, and insurrection. some overlap happens in the latter three; the documents stand alone.

Yeah, I guess that does all fit together. I wonder If Geogia will bring state charges though.

Oh, count on it. Which is good, because there are a lot of forces at work that would undercut a federal conviction. I’m glad prosecutions are continuing on both state and federal tracks.

Deleted after getting to the hippo warning.

Awww. We’re just marking time while waiting for Jack Smith to get rolling.

Meanwhile, here’s Ari Melber on the difference in the speed Germany and Peru had in dealing with insurrectionists compared to the US.

Jack Smith is rolling. Please see the above-referenced thread re the Justice Department’s investigation into Trump actions surrounding January 6th.

I know it’s going to be hard, but I’d really like us to try and draw a distinction between DOJ’s January 6th investigation and their Mar-a-Lago documents investigation. These are two separate and distinct courses of misconduct by Trump. They are being investigated on separate tracks. All they have in common is that they fall under the Jack Smith/DOJ umbrella.

Our threads will be much more clear and hopefully more easily understood if we can all keep the attendant investigative steps in the separate threads.

The main difference is that in Germany, no elected politicians were involved, and in Peru, all the elected politicians (except the President) recognised the auto-coup for what it was.

In the US, significant elected politicians are saying “What insurrection?”

Silly me. Here I thought I was living in a country where no one was above the law.

Well, to be fair, some of them are saying (in effect)

“Insurrection? It was too small. If I was in charge of the insurrection, there would have been more guns, more dead cops, and Democrats strung up. That’s a REAL insurrection, which I hope happens soon!”

In the mean time, we should leave them alone to work it out. No sense in the left jumping in to keep the right from splitting.

But that would imply that a person could commit two crimes at once! Or at lease concurrently! Inconceivable! :clown_face:

The rich and the powerful have, for the most part, always been above the law.

Seriously? There’s so much pontificating over the effects of charging an ex-president. It’s not even subtext that some people think he should be above the law.

Things like executive privilege, Congressional privilege from arrest, and diplomatic immunity mean that some people are legally and explicitly above the law, and have been since the founding of the country.

What it should be stated is that, in theory, people are above the law only when it is in the country’s best interest for them to be. And honestly, I don’t have a problem with that. It’s only when those privileges are abused, or people try to expand them far past what they need to be, that’s when I have a problem.

And really, I think this Mar-A-Lago case completely rests on that. There is absolutely no question that what Trump did would get almost anyone else arrested long before now.