Could he feasibly campaign for president from outside the country? Rallies with big-screen TV?
FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024
So, folks who do things like endanger an entire nation? What Trump (and Texeira) did was a lot more violent than someone who stabs someone down a dark alley. It just runs into the “a million deaths is a statistic” problem.
He could. It’d be a very bad look for most candidates, but Trump isn’t most candidates.
Yup. It would add to his victim status – “Government in Exile,” etc.
“The Deep State drove me out of the country, but I’m still your president!”
The reason for holding, for example, a suspected attempted murderer in jail, pending trial, is to prevent an actual murder.
Even if Trump waving around secret documents caused a million deaths – which I’m sure it didn’t – and even if it caused one death of an undercover agent whose name was shown – which I doubt but is barely possible – he doesn’t have the documents any more. You can’t kill someone with a document you don’t have.
So there is no justification for holding him in order to prevent him from doing the same crime again.
Now, if he is re-elected, there’s a substantial chance he will again retain secret documents in 2029. If he flees, problem solved!
As for Teixeira:
The judge called Teixeira “disloyal to the U.S.”
If that quotation wasn’t taken out of context, it sounds highly prejudicial. Whether it is justified for Teixeira to now be in jail could the topic of another thread. If he is unfairly jailed, I fail to see relevance to Trump. Of course there are people in jail who should not be. One injustice should not be a excuse for more.
You sure about that?
The reason a person is in custody pending trial is to prevent them from committing a serious (not necessarily violent) crime if they are likely to reoffend, interfere with an investigation, or fail to appear for trial.
It’s not exclusively to keep a violent person off the streets.
To be fair, it is a somewhat controversial subject and many civil rights advocates criticize the detention of people who haven’t been convicted, including in the United States. No doubt there would be a huge outcry if Trump were imprisoned before conviction, and it would really motivate the Republican base.
Right. There’s been talk that Smith may be preparing indictments for material Trump has kept at Bedminster in NJ, in case Judge Cannon lets Trump walk in the FL case.
He doesn’t have some of them any more. How confident are we that we’ve recovered all of them? Including all copies? He almost certainly still has plenty of information that could cost lives, and he’s a lot more likely to hand that information over to other countries than a murderer is to murder again.
Naw, he needs to have the rubes there in person screaming and applauding and worshiping him.
No Ruling on Trial date - article on The Messenger (by Adam Klasfeld quoted below from Twitter).
Doesn’t appear the hearing today ended in a ruling on the trial date. Not ruling at the end of a hearing is not uncommon (the motion is “under advisement”), but if it went more than a week without a ruling that would be more uncommon (Cannon signaled that she would issue a written order “promptly.”).
When she rules, Cannon will probably base her decision in discovery reasons and that’s not likely to get overturned should anyone appeal. There is a lot of discovery (certainly plausibly at least)
Per Adam Klasfeld on twitter who was at the hearing:
Cannon also appeared inclined to call the case complex, a designation prosecutors opposed. She shot down attempts from both parties to discuss the political backdrop to the hearing.
The volume and complexity of discovery would be more helpful factors, she said.
By the Special Counsel’s office’s account, that volume includes:
- 1.1 million pages of discovery
- unknown hours of CCTV footage, which defense estimates at 1,186 days of footage
- +1K pages of classified material
Prosecutors didn’t cite a similar case that moved so quickly [to a Dec 2023 trial date].
Jay Bratt appeared to concede the “aggressive” schedule was aspirational.
“We feel it is very important that we have a trial date to work from, realizing that the trial date may not be set in stone.”
This is one person’s opinion. I’m sure we’ll find out other people’s views and eventually the legal reasoning when she rules.
Again, my view (based on people smarter than me) is the Gov’t is fine with Summer 2024 and that is actually doable.
I’ll bet that the more indictments Trump faces, the more Cannon drags this bullshit out. Until proven otherwise, she is clearly on team TRUMP. Prove me wrong, judge.
One thing legal titan Brandon Van Grack said to keep an eye on re potential foot-dragging by Cannon is whether she assigns the task of making preliminary rulings on classified materials to her magistrate judge, Jonathan Goodman.
Whatever rulings Goodman makes, each will be subject to review (read new hearing) by Cannon. So it’s a way of doubling the amount of time it will take just to establish how classified materials will be handled in the trial.
Cannon hasn’t yet issued a ruling, but I’m keeping an eye on this part of it.
I’ve turned my attention to D.C. The documents case is going to play out one way or the other, but I do believe Cannon is going to slow it down as much as possible.
I’d love to be wrong.
In practice, the Magistrate Judges rule much faster than the article III judges, and then the review by the District Court Judge is more than a rubber stamp, but less thorough than it would otherwise be. That might all be different in this case, of course, but I wouldn’t assume things will go slower if she outsources the dirty work to her magistrate judge.
We’ll see. Like I said, I’d love to be wrong!
This is my prediction. This is a trial for next summer.
But it may not be donald’s first criminal trial to take place.
Isn’t the New York fraud trial scheduled for March?
A tangent to the boxes of secret papers: apparently Israeli antiquities loaned to the White House for a brief exhibition in 2019 also have wound up at Mar-A-Lago.
Seriously, what did Israel think was going to happen.
I know that this is kind of rhetorical, and a bit of a hijack, but, how can the GOP and their ilk actually think (or pretend to think) that Trump is ok and normal.