Yes, but unless you are suggesting that I go elsewhere to have my racist rants, it doesn’t really represent the actions of a racist.
Okay, maybe I’m just a tidgy bit racist, but I’d wager that applies to most human beings.
Reminds me of the old joke: “I worked as a fireman for over twenty years, but do random people in the street call me “fire-fighting hero”? No! *But get caught fucking ONE goat … *” 
So where did I say that, liar? Strawman.
Seriously spoke, why is it that racists like you can’t just admit it? You JAQ Off about the danger of Jews, or immigrants, or whatever, and then when you’re called on the carpet all of a sudden you play coy. Why is that? Serious question.
As for where you said it, I suppose I could play that game with you… you trolled Jack into quoting your own words, words that you were denying you’d ever said. And even when he cited your own words, you continued to call him a liar. I’m not really sure that playing such games with a racist such as yourself really serves any purpose.
Yes, you did say that only the ‘good Jews’, those who criticized Israel ‘enough’, were above suspicion. But that anybody like me, who dared disagree with you and point out how your claims were factually inaccurate and based on logical fallacies, was a suspected Traitor Jew. You went as far as to lie and claim that I never criticize Israel, and so that anybody like me who must be “rabid” in their support for Israel (code for “not accepting Spoke’s bullshit”) is a potential traitor. Then you lied and said you hadn’t made any such claim, you were merely saying that someone who engaged in a behavior cannot tolerate it. :rolleyes:
Anyways, enough of your racism as you’re going down the tried and true "I’m not an anti-Semite, but we have to be on our guard for potential Jewish Treachery " path…
Here, why don’t you (fucking finally) address your factual claims. You know, as you have a problem with people who don’t post substance.
And:
Come on, I’d like to know when it’s a good time to buy a lottery ticket. It’ll probably be around the time you actually shut your yap and quit your attempts at diversion and fallacy, and actually attempt to defend your own position. Any time now buddy. Or should that be, any lifetime now?
Get to it.
Indictment pending.
So, Finn, you’re just going to keep lying about what I said, the better to smear me. Unsurprising, I guess.
Here’s a clue: I don’t give a flying fuck about whether someone is a Jew or not.
What concerns me is when someone with a demonstrable allegiance to a foreign nation gets put into a decision-making position in the State Department or the Pentagon.
And this is a guy with a vast collection of Barbra Steisand records!
Nah.
It’s just the same diversionary tactics that you used with Jack, when even after he quoted your own words at you, you called him a liar. It’s just what you do, scuttling away from the light and all. I would really like you to be the first racist on the Dope, though, who’s honestly answered why it is that you all lie about your racism when caught. David Duke claims, just like you, that he’s not a racist but he just wants to warn us about dangerous Traitor Jews. Like you, David Duke argues that it’s Jewish ethnicity/religion that makes Jews potential traitors. Like you, he argues that we must be wary of those Traitor Jews. Like you, he lies and says that even someone who opposes the Israeli occupation and calls it “insanity” is a secret Israeli partisan. If you had two neurons to rub together, you’d realize it’s not guilt by association, but guilt by the fact that both of you are racists who use the same arguments about dangerous Traitor Jews. Seriously, read the definition of fallacies you link to.
Guilt by association says:
1 It is pointed out that people person A does not like accept claim P.
2 Therefore P is false
I did not use Duke to show that your racist conspiracy mongering was wrong because Duke is an asshole and he agrees with you, I used Duke to show that Duke engages in racist conspiracy mongering, and you use his same tactics. The fact that your paranoid nuttery is based on nothing but JAQing Off and racial hatred means you haven’t even proven your own case, I don’t have to disprove it, you need to prove that your judeophibia, based on racism and ignorance, is a sound basis for holding American Jews to a totally seperate standard and Loyalty Litmus Test if they dare disagree with you. But showing how you are a vile racist doesn’t rebut your argument, because I didn’t have to since you refuse to actually make an argument and instead sit in a corner JAQing Off. You know, burden of proof and all that.
Ah well, I’ll indulge your trolling just a little bit, racist.
Did you, in fact, say that Jews whose politics differed from yours were suspect and should be watched as potential Traitor Jews? That they might sell out their own homes for the benefit of a foreign power? Or, worse, that if they had the sheer audacity to disagree with you (or worse, to point out how full of shit you are) that they were so ruined by their Jewish ethnicity/religion that they couldn’t even tell the difference between what was good for their home and what was good for a nation half the planet away?
Yes:
Did you, in fact, lie and claim that those who criticize Israel never do, then tried to justify that lie and claim that you can never tolerate a behavior but engage in? All while lying to say that those who criticize Israel don’t do it enough, therefore they don’t ever do it, therefore they’re security risks due to being potential Traitor Jews?
Yes:
And then of course, like any silly racist, you reiterated your racist claims while denying them:
Are you, in fact, such a fucked up racist that you will point to people advising Israel to break economic aid ties with the US and to stand on its own without any US support, military or economic? Yes:
Again, what did those Traitor Jews actually advise the US and Israel should do vis a vis our relationship?
So, yep. You’re just the standard sort of racist who can talk a mean game about how much you hate/distrust/fear a racial group, but as soon as you’re called on the carpet you scurry away. The only ‘good Jew’ for you is one who doesn’t dare have his or her own political opinion, and even if they criticize Israel, you’ll lie and claim that they allow no criticism of Israel at all. And why? Because they oppose your filthy deceptions and lies. Obviously, anybody that shows that you are a liar who is full of shit and supports bigots like carter who use lies to demonize one side and prop up another is someone who is rabidly partisan and cannot be trusted, since they are all potential Traitor Jews.
Naturally, when called on the facts, you’ll try to change the subject with inane idiocy and diversions.
Speaking of how you scurry instead of backing up your own claims, time to answer those factual questions. You’ve had days now to support your own positions. You’ve pretended that non-fallacies were fallacious, and you’ve pretended that the mere fact of asking you to back up your own claims was a fallacy. :rolleyes:.
Time to man up, racist, and get down to brass tacks.
Unless a secret Traitor Jew is preventing you. We’d all understand that, one can’t be too careful with those Ideologically Impure Jews.
And:
Well, you’ve done a fine job of slicing, dicing, parsing, taking out of context, ducking and dodging, but still, nothing I wrote adds up to this statement you attributed to me:
So again I say:
And I see you are trotting out David Duke again. You know who else trotted out David Duke? Hitler, that’s who! You are just like Hitler!
Say, what happened to Jackmamnii? Aren’t we due for a “Yap! Yap! Yap!” right about now?
God dammit, people! FinnAgainAndAgainAndAgainAndAgainAndAgain… is a great debater! Why, his post is his cite!
How dare you lie to us all about logical fallacies, you racist scum? You cannot compete with the Wall of Text. The Wall is everywhere. It sees all. It knows all. It is complete in and of itself, encompassing the universe, creating its own truths. It watches you masturbate.
It contains all words, ever. Any statement you wish to make is contained within the wall. All your points are invalid, because the wall has turned them against you. To question the Wall is to lie. To question the wall is to be stupid. A stupid lying idiot.
The Wall knows that you are racist. The Wall knows you hate the chosen people. The Wall laughs in the face of your puny fallacies and makes them its own. The Wall cannot be stopped, and you cannot hope to contain it. The Wall shoots and scores, right into your face.
The Wall is here and you will bow before it, and before it’s chosen avatar, the wordy one, the repeater, the stylistically rigid, the obsessive destroyer of all who dare to disbelieve the Obvious Truth of the Wall, who shall be known as FinnAgain. He will preach the Wall to the masses. He will smite the stupid, and the liars. He will continue to smite them until either they give up or die of old age. Time is meaningless to him. Carpal tunnel is meaningless to him. Your opinion is meaningless to him. The Wall is his master and his slave. You are merely fodder for the Wall, to be digested and excreted in the usual manner.
Fear the Wall. The Wall is all powerful. Do not respond to the Wall, as your efforts will be turned against you and you shall receive in return sevenfold the dividends of your useless argumentation. Do not feed the prophet of the Wall. He never gives up. He never dies. He will never utter the word surrender, unless it is in reference to your pathetic mewling as the words of the Wall are driven into your eyes and mind like red hot pokers made of pure solidified acid.
You cannot win.
You cannot hide.
You cannot faze the wall with logic or reason.
You cannot top the wall, for it is so large it overlaps itself.
It is impenetrable.
The Wall commands and you obey.
Begin worship now and you may be saved.
Damn spoke, you’re not even a good troll.
Like I said, you were asking for your own words to be cited so that you could then deny them. Big surprise. It should be pretty clear for those reading along that if a Jew has the nerve to disagree with you, that you’ll lie and call them a Traitor Jew, up to and including casting their statements that Israel should break away from the US and not use the US for economic or military support as a nefarious piece of Traitor Jewing, trying to place America in harm’s way for Israel’s gain.
And after I pointed out how you’re misusing the guilt by association fallacy, you go and make that ‘mistake’ yet again. ‘Honest mistake’ on your part, I’m sure. And you use the made up “fallacy of argument by questioning” to show that asking you to prove your own claims is a fallacy. And it’s a fallacy, because proving your claims doesn’t have a snappy answer.
Good gods, but you’re pathetic, just like every other cowardly racist to grace the Dope. Here, I’ll put the factual questions to you yet again, not that I think you’ll answer them any time soon, but because people reading along should know that you’re dodging them, yet again, while claiming that being asked to* make your own argument or rebut one that you disagree with is a fallacy*. And go figure, you ‘accidentally forgot’ to quote the part of your made up fallacy (which wouldn’t be a logical fallacy anyway, you uneducated schmuck) that says that every single question in the world is a fallacy. Yeah great cite you dug up there. You lie about the accurate cite you found, and use a shit one to back up your claims that to question you is a fallacy, in and of itself. To say nothing of the fact that it really is disgusting for a racist like you to keep citing Nizkor to advance your anti-Jewish agenda. Most people would at least have the basic human decency not to knowing distort a website decided to Holocaust victims in the service of defending anti-Semitism.
Not you, it seems.
And:
A compendium of Finn’s logical fallacies in this thread:
Ad HominemAppeal to Consequences of a Belief
Appeal to Fear
Appeal to Pity
Appeal to Ridicule
Composition Fallacy
False Dilemma Fallacy
Genetic Fallacy
Fallacy of Guilt By Association
Fallacy of Misleading Vividness
Fallacy of Personal Attack (Finn’s favorite by far.)
Poisoning the Well
Slippery Slope Fallacy
Straw Man Fallacy
Argument By Emotive Language
Argument By Half Truth
Argument By Question
Argument By Vehemence
Argument by Repetition (Another Finn favorite. “spoke-is-a-racist, spoke-is-a-racist, spoke-is-a-racist”)
Argument By Selective Observation
Needling
Weasel Wording
It’s really an impressive display. Almost as though he read a list of fallacies and kept saying to himself “Oooh. That’s a good one! I think I’ll try that!”
Naturally , readers can and should check up on that list and see if Spoke used even one of those accurately. After readers realize that not one of his claims is accurate, they can then figure out for themselves if it is stupidity or mendacity that causes spoke to spit out long lists of fallacies that simple reading would show him aren’t what he’s claiming.
Remember, this is the same fellow who wants people to believe that asking someone to prove their own claims is not only a fallacy, but any and every question ever asked in the history of humanity, and any question that might be asked, is fallacious if they don’t have “snappy answers”.
Readers should also note how many times he’s engaging in projection, like “needling” which states "simply attempting to make the other person angry, without trying to address the argument at hand. Sometimes this is a delaying tactic. "
Speaking of the argument at hand being ignored via delaying tactics. The arguments:
And:
Any time now my little racist. I promise, no Traitor Jews are lurking under your bed. They won’t even sneak up and bite you while you’re attempt to prove your own claims. So go for it, time to quit your trolling and (finally) prove yoru claim.
You won’t though, will you?
Do you think you’re fooling anybody as to what it means that you won’t deign to prove your own claims, and you’ll allege that even asking you to do so is a fallacy?
Oh, absolutely!
I wonder, does FinnAgain ad infinitum have keyboard characters in lieu of what passes for fingerprints on other Homo sapiens?
Spoke… are you relying on reverse psychology or something?
You know, some folks will actually check the dishonest use of your cites, and then they’ll see your lying. And then they’ll wonder why you’re lying. Much like your lie that I’ve ever used the fallacy of personal attack. You, who has still refused to support your own argument or refute anybody else’s, are are dishonestly claiming that by debunking your claim and also calling you a scumsucking racist moron, I’ve committed a fallacy. Just like you had the actual definition of guilt by association explained to you, and then “accidentally” made the same mistake, immediately. Nah, you’re not lying in order to try to annoy me. Nopers. Just one of those lucky coincidences. Why, I bet if we didn’t comb through your posts to see all your dishonesty, we’d see a lot of instances of you lying in order to be a pleasant person. Right?
People should check, so that your lies will be laid clear.
Again, nah, you’re not a dishonest troll who won’t address facts except to use patently obvious dodges and deception. Nope. And please don’t embarrass yourself enough again to claim that a made-up rhetorical fallacy is a logical fallacy and that* it’s really fallacious to ask someone to prove their own claims or rebut something they say is false, if they can’t make it “snappy”, you poor stupid racist. *
And again, speaking of how you’re a weasel who evades the actual arguments in favor of dodges, dishonesty, and personal attacks:
And:
Answer them any time now, or come up with some more google vomit of listing any fallacy that sounds good to you, even while you know that they’re inaccurate and you’re just using them to troll. Go for it, you sad little racist.
Or I’ll sic the PNAC on you.
I wonder if you will ever retract any of your lies. You posted that 90% of land in Palestine was owned by Palestinians. Something not one honest historian on the planet would ever claim, because it’s a fiction. Will you retract your lie and refrain from trying to support future screeds with lies, or will you just carry on and engage in the same behavior later?
Of projection.
In fact you could stre…e…t…ch all the items on that list to indict virtually everyone who habitually posts in these sorts of threads.
Take that really cool “Fallacy of Misleading Vividness”. Sounds like what spoke was using when he referenced the Minnesota Interstate bridge collapse, and warned us we could expect similar disasters due to budget constraints brought about by sending foreign aid to Israel.
Talk about monomania.
Likewise spoke, my good racist, they’ll click on some others and realize that not only are they inaccurate, they have nothing to do with anything that’s going on. There is not one example of me using the fallacy of composition in this thread (which naturally is why you just listed it in a vacuum and not quoted any bit of text which you claimed did it, because you knew you were full of shit but decided to troll anyways).
I already tried to teach you why you’re (deliberately) wrong about ad hom, but you’re trolling, so being right doesn’t matter quite as much as trying to aggravate me; only an idiot would believe that rather than spending my time attacking your arguments, I’ve totally ignored them while attacking you personally.
They will note, however, that for dozens of posts you’ve been afraid to back up your own claim and haven’t attempted to refute my correct analysis of the pattern of Carter’s agenda-driven lies and his bigotry, but are instead using an actual ad hominem fallacy by arguing that if I use fallacies, you don’t actually have to prove your claims or debunk mine. By the way, you poor, stupid, ignorant racist, in addition to committing the ad hominem fallacy, you’ve just committed the fallacy fallacy.
And yeah, folks will notice you dishonestly try to sneak made-up rhetorical fallacies into a list of logical fallacies. And how you’ve actually tried to claim that asking any question that doesn’t have a “snappy answer” is a logical fallacy. (which, naturally, is why you won’t prove your own claims about land ownership, since asking you who owned what land, when, and why some were stripped of land ownership rights is a fallacy if it can’t be answered with a snappy one liner.) :rolleyes:
They might actually click on the fallacy of personal attack, and then realize that you’re lying, and never once have I used personal insults to substitute for a refutation, but always in concert with one. They might realize you’re lying when you claim that I used the (rhetorical, not logical) “fallacy of repetition” and that rather than simply pointing out that you’re a Jew-hating racist piece of trash, that I showed how your own words proved it.
Poor, poor racist. So afraid of how people react to racists that you have to hide behind JAQin Off and lying. Just get it over with. A website where folks expect you to actually use accusations of logical fallacies correctly and without deliberate dishonesty is obviously not the place for you. Perhaps you can sign up on some David Duke forum or Stormfront to talk about the dangerous of Traitor Jews and the threat that Dual Loyalty proves to our nation. At least, nobody there will have a problem with you, and you can find some likeminded folks to hate the Jews with.
And so on.
You poor racist, reduced to trolling to avoid proving your own claims or debunking mine. Which are, yet again:
And:
Perhaps, but it was Finn who was bragging about how he was shooting down everyone else’s fallacies.
People who live in glass houses should buy some curtains. Or something like that.