That was hardly a personal apology. If I had been one of the offended parties, no, that would not have been good enough for me. I have every right to express my opinion that Flammy’s apolology sounded insincere. I did not say she didn’t mean it. I have no doubt she did. But to my ears it came off as impersonal and insincere. I stand by my remarks.
There’s a Hans Moleman quote popping in my head: “We paid for blood!!!”
No, seriously: what do you people want? Would you prefer a millstone thrown around Flami’s neck and watch her be forced to swim the Atlantic Ocean? Or can she apologize (and mean it), and get the hell on with her life?
If I can spout some principles of justice here: when a wrong is committed, something is owed. If somebody does $100 worth of damage to your car, they owe you $100. If you murder someone, you usually (although rarely in practice), you get life in prison, or worse, you give your life up to the state. However, justice doesn’t go further than that: we maintain the dignity of the human person by keeping the penalty fair. We execute prisoners; we don’t put them in a pit with a lion for public entertainment.
I don’t know what’s the just repayment for publicly insulting someone or asking a stupid question about someone with MS. I’d think an apology and a commitment to not doing it again is enough, particularly if that’s all the person is capable of giving. Why demand more? Why cry for blood? Do you want a public flogging? Do you want a burning at the stake?
I exaggerate. But I reiterate: I’m still scared. She tried to make amends, and it still isn’t enough.
(Oh, and kudos to those of you who took her apology and are willing to move on.)
Interesting typo.
Thanks, Flam. May you continue in humility with those who have been wronged, and may you, and everyone, learn from all this.
I don’t need a personal apology. It took guts to come here. Hell, if John’s okay, then I’m okay. And if Flam learns something from this - then that’s even better.
And to those of you who jumped to my defense - thank you. I’m very blessed and lucky to have such kind friends.
And thank you to BBJ for the nice compliment.
Let’s all go outside and play now!
Eh. I’ve seen better. For someone who likes to run her mouth as much as she does, it was awfully short. And frankly, there are some times when “I’m sorry” just doesn’t cut it. Although if this John guy is who I think he is, I’m pretty sure he disagrees with me.
If I’m right, I hope Flamsterette realizes how very, very lucky she is to have a friend like that.
But… but there’s a moral highground to take! :rolleyes:
Christ, this has got to be the most disgusting pile-on thread I’ve ever seen - and some of you vultures still aren’t satisfied? Get over it - the people involved have settled it.
Holy.
Living.
Fuck.
I realize I’m coming into the ass-end of this thread but Jesus H. Christ that was a fucked up thing for Flami to do. I’ve said and done some pretty stupid shit on these boards --and there are -ahem- people here that can attest to that…-- but congratu-fucking-lations flamster! You win the gold medal for being the first poster to physically disgust me.
General apology not accepted from me. Maybe the two people you hurt will be more receptive to your specific apologies.
Good for you Flam, for having the guts to come in and say sorry.
Well, Flammy old kid, old sock, I think the upside here is that you are unlikely to have a similar problem next year, and nobody is likely to waste 37 perfectly good cents, plus the cost of the card itself, on such a whiney, self centered, ungrateful waste of human skin.
So, you got that going for ya.
MHO:
Concerning the issue of wanting to see your name written in a birthday card - never heard of it and complaining about it is just baffling. How is person X supposed to even know you want your name written in the birthday card? It verges on ridiculous.
Concerning the responses in this thread: Some of them are so over the top that they go beyond ridiculous to obnoxious if not despicable. “I am shaking with the desire to punch you?” “I am writing myself a note to remember to hate you?” “You are a waste of skin?” Not even a :rolleyes: can express the sheer overreaction. Get a life people!
Concerning the “degenerate” comment - if that’s because Tiburon is gay then it’s a hateful comment. But I don’t understand why everyone is saying “that came out of the blue.” In the post immediately before that Tiburon called Flamsterette_X a bitch.
I don’t buy it, but it’s not being sold to me, so who gives a shit?
Those for whom the apology was intended…good for you. You’re far better people than I am. Had it been intended for me I’d’ve called it weak; fortunately, it wasn’t.
Those for whom the apology was not intended but who accepted it anyhow…well, good for y’all, too, I guess…
Those of you who didn’t accept the apology (a group including myself)…was it to you? No? Then you don’t have to.
The OP of the IMHO thread was a perfect example of what happens when you don’t follow the rule of “Think Twice: Post Once.” I also think some people should go that extra mile. Think Five Times…Go Do Something Else For An Hour…Think Five More Times…THEN Post, If You Really Still Think It’s A Good Idea.
Cheers, and let’s be careful out there.
Jack London, The Call Of The Wild
Time to wrap this up, Mods?
Finish your drinks everyone! Bar is closing.
No, I don’t think that apology should be sufficient. I viewed the “degenerate” comment as bigoted, anti-gay hate speech. What if the comment had been:
“Not that I care bouta spic’s (or jew’s or black person’s) opinion, anyhow…”
I think Tiburon is a good person to have accepted that apology at face value and I will remember Flamsterette_X is a bigot in the future (a self-centered bigot).
Exactly. Look, if the offended parties want to accept Flamsterette’s apologiy, that’s all well and good with me. All I was saying was that it sounded rather insincere to me. Where were all her “defenders” before she apologized? Not here, that’s for sure. But as soon as anyone dares to question the sincerity of her apology, the “defenders” are all over. :rolleyes:
Bolding mine of course…Yeah, I said that. The card sender is a friend of mine and how dare she be so ungrateful about this. Granted I could be a better friend to the card sender myself but the second I figured out who she was talking about I did wanna punch her because she was acting like a two year old.
I mean really, I will stick up for my friends if I see unfairness and in this case a lack of brains and a lack of gratitude for the simple idea that he took time out of his day to send her a birthday card. Including a name should be the last damn thing on anyone’s mind. BTW, I did post what I thought she could have said to make this not such an explosive issue.
I roll my eyes at those that can’t see her serious error.
Yes, we all do bone-headed things, I am one of the first to admit it but geez that was a really screwed up post she did.
She apologized for it, fine. I am sure some people can accept that, I am in the department that it’s weak. However, I am not going to worry about it because it doesn’t affect me. BUT, I will remain on the side of my friends when they do something kind-hearted and shit like that comes out of one’s thoughts for all to see. That kind of shit is hard to forget.
Me, I was at work.
And it’s not so much defending F_X, Q.E.D., but attacking the feeding frenzy going on here. What’s wrong with you people?
You weren’t. Do you see the significance?