Yeah, but this really comes to a core thing doesn’t it. Town can’t help but lynch the incomprehensible players. I think it boils down to a “That person is behaving in a manner that is inconsistent with how I view the game, and that means they are not like me, iow not town.” This logic is flawed at a fundamental level, and there might be a cure for it, and it has been repeated by myself and by others, over and over again: “What is the scum motivation?” If town can focus on things which are demonstrably containing a scum motivation, instead of what they focus on now, they will find themselves lynching a lot more scum. I’m of the opinion that motivation is the most important factor, and that it catches more scum than anything else, excepting smart guesses in the confirmed v unconfirmed game.
Rysto’s death is unsurprising I suppose. I do wonder if scum killed him because of what was said about editing. It really is the best result for the circumstances. Alive, Rysto is a potential auto-confirmed Town which is unbalancing.
The scum had plenty of reasons to come after me, not the least of which was the fact that I led the bandwagon against Voldemort.
Well, one out of two ain’t bad.
I wonder who the other mason is. 
NETA(because apparently I need to get out of that habit):
I really hope that Zeriel isn’t the other mason.
I’m not playing close enough attention to ascertain who is going after whom, but presumably scum are. Or scum could have been lazy and went after the player tipped by the mod. In the last game I moderated scum were openly lazy about their nightkills.
From the Forbidden Thread:
From the game:
Well, yeah. Chronos WAS discussing it or at least tangentially exposed to others discussing it or reading other peoples thoughts and formulating his own in the Forbidden Thread.
NAF got slammed for referencing the Forbidden Thread in a game he subbed into, but I think here Chronos has a valid defense in simply stating: I followed in the Forbidden Thread and these were my conclusions.
(1) Storyteller was dead.
(2) Monkgate was the epitome of awesome.
I don’t understand why Zeriel has such a bad view on Monkgate. Monkgate was AWESOME! It netted two scum basically for free – one that was riding crazy townie cred. Monkgate was a key component to winning that game. Scum false claiming mason generally* benefits the town.
Let’s all say it together: Monkgate was super-duper awesomeness.
*The exception is when there are no real masons in the game at all.
I may well just be experiencing tunnel vision here, but I think that storyteller is a scum who’s tried a hail-mary and hoped that there are no masons. The timing of his claim just doesn’t make any sense to me.
Sachertorte is right. The hardest thing about modding a game is learning to shut the hell up. You have more knowledge than anyone else in the game, and yet you alone of the spoiled are allowed to post in the thread. That is a huge responsibility.
I mean, the way scum often get caught is because they accidentally reveal that they know too much, right? What makes you think that you as mod are any different? It’s very, very easy to reveal something without meaning to when you start getting conversational in the game thread. Stick to flavor and votecounts only. There’ll be time enough for talking when the lynching’s done.
I’d be surprised if storyteller is false claiming. It makes less sense for him to false claim than some sort of mason plot.
(1) The lynch wagon is clearly pointing at Chronos. There are still a few days, but at this time storyteller isn’t even on the radar for lynch. Why hitch to a false mason claim at this particular moment?
(2) Claiming mason when the doctor is already dead is a sticky situation. A real mason is doing so under the full expectation of getting killed. Scum would need to explain away the lack of night death. If storyteller lives much longer, the other mason must claim to save him or storyteller must be lynched. Scum are not in a position to allow two of them to false claim mason.
(3) The probability of there being no masons is minute. In order for there to be no masons, the game would have to be severely adjusted to compensate town for the lack of power roles and the icky situation of no ability to counterclaim the false claim. That is, a scummy storyteller fake mason claim should be an expected outcome of a no-mason game (i.e., town has powers to balance). Furthermore, storyteller would not expect there to be no masons and should not be acting under the assumption that there are none.
(4) With town 2 for 2 on lynches so far, false claiming mason at this juncture is counter productive. It’s not even ‘hail mary’ material. An effective false mason claim would need to occur closer to lynch or lose. Preferably AT lynch or lose. Way too early for a false mason claim to be effective.
Anyway, I’m assuming that storyteller has a reason for his claim. They must have some power that is hidden. Obviously they can communicate in private, but storyteller is certainly hinting that there is more to the masons. It certainly would explain why storyteller claimed. IMO, if the masons were plain masons, claiming at this juncture is not helpful. With a dead detective, killing masons is the scum’s top priority so giving that away is not something storyteller should want to do. I’m guessing there’s a protect ability that storyteller knows about, but isn’t stating for obvious reasons. One out mason gives scum exactly one target. Both claiming makes it a guessing game. In other words, storyteller is confident of his ability to survive the night.
I’m baffled by Chronos. So baffled that I’m talking myself into thinking he is Town.
Taking on a claimed mason when most everyone else voting is voting for you is suicide. I’m not sure how to reconcile that. It doesn’t make sense for scum to do it. It doesn’t make sense for Town to do it. BUT the only glimmer of a reason that it could be done at all is if Chronos is both town and truly believes that storyteller is lying scum.
If Chronos is scum, then pointing the finger at storyteller is not productive. He will die and everyone will ignore what he said. The only way I can make sense of it is if BOTH Chronos and storyteller are scum, and Chronos is trying to build up storyteller. But that would just be insane to do!
I get it. I am actually aware I goofed. I don’t think I talk too much, and I don’t think I need to shut up more. I made an honest mistake. It happens.
It’s just a game of mafia. 
Again, apologies all around, folks! I’m sorry I said townie instead of “player” and that it offended people and made them think I’m somehow completely incompetent. It was incompetent and for that, I apologize.
It is just a game, though, folks. No need to for anyone to critique the humble moderator too much.
I’m not paid for this.
Now, let’s move on.
Game on!
You should have seen my mistake in LOST mafia.
I think Zeriel has over internalized Monkgate as his mistake. To the contrary, Zeriel should be taking credit for the awesomeness that is Monkgate. Had Zeriel named the other masons before he died, Town probably would have lost that game. Sure we got lucky in many ways, but Monkgate was critical to the win.
Furthermore, I don’t think one can compare the current situation to Monkgate in any way. If anything Monkgate is a warning to scum, not to Town. At the very least there is enough leeway to leave storyteller alone and “let the power roles play as they think is best.”
I thought of another reason why storyteller has every right to be silent on the subject. Based on his posts it seems clear that he is in communication with the other mason. In other words, storyteller could easily post a coded message that is so obscure as to be unidentifiable without instructions on how to decipher it (key). This key can be communicated via the masons private communication to the other mason.
I will not be surprised at all if the second mason will be able to point to one of storyteller’s posts and explain how it shows that storyteller is confirming the masonry.
Now I’m singing Kenny Rogers. Thanks for that.
Sorry about my editing - I’m like LPN, and didn’t even think about it. Although it’s also true that I’d already been subbed out at that point, so I was no longer a player anyway. Still, my bad.
Weird with the mason claim. Totally out of the blue, with no motivation.
Does storyteller have a past of being able to send encoded messages?
What’s Monkgate?
My post probably came across harsher than I meant it to. I just get a little perturbed when someone says “it’s just a game”. Yes, that is true, but it’s a game that people put lots and lots of man-hours into, and I feel that we owe it to them to get it right. Mistakes happen, of course, but the cool thing about mistakes is learning from them. Anyway, no offense was intended.
Well, we’ve already had one Scum make a false claim that (apparently) didn’t gain him anything, so I don’t think we can say the lack of clear motivation to lie means storyteller is being honest. Maybe the Scum have some grand false claim scheme worked out.
If I were playing I wouldn’t give much weight to this Mason claim either way, at least not yet. Maybe story is being honest, maybe not. I’d be wary of letting this issue distract away from the Chronos situation, because that’s the only obvious Scum motive for a false role claim at this point. If story is telling the truth then there’s no reason this should affect the Town’s decision today.
For those of you already dead and/or waiting for another game to start, another one is starting on my boards: Idlemafia.
It’s going to be hosted by Pleonast.