Forbidden Thread - Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting

[sachertorte]

Who is dropping out?
If it is someone with a small in-game footprint, you could probably shove OneAndOnlyWanderers back in. I don’t think he got to say much of anything in the game.

[Rysto]

@RyJae

Wish I wasn’t such a spoiler hound. First time I ever paid attention to this game and wow I’m hooked. Hope when I get a chance to play it’s just as interesting as a player as it is as a spectator.

An off-board game is starting soon that has open slots. It’s a closed-setup(roles aren’t revealed ahead of time) no-vanilla(everyone has a power-role) game. Another thread has a link to it.

[ShadowFacts]

@Rysto

Heh, funny story about that…

You see, I used my secret power to investigate fluiddruid that Night and the results were to be PM’ed back to me. Then the vampire killed me that night. However, beforehand we witches had worked out that I would encode my results in my first post of the Day, by starting it with W for Wolf, T for Town, etc. When I saw that I’d been killed, I posted my goodbye post without thinking. I hadn’t even received the investigation result. By total chance I started my goodbye post with the word “Well”, and Dio and BlaM seized on that and pushed the lynch through. So in reality it wasn’t an information-driven lynch – it was total luck.

That’s hilarious.

[ShadowFacts]

@sachertorte

Drain Bead’s roleclaim has me wondering.
Again, the irony is that my play in The Conspiracy pretty much set the table for power roles withholding information from the Town, but something about Drain Bead’s ‘I’m not going to tell you what I found on Night Two, but I breadcrumbed it.’ statement really bothers me. Town seems to be taking this to mean that Drain Bead found a power role and didn’t want to expose the role, but just stating “Town” would have been sufficient.
At first I thought maybe she found a Mason and didn’t feel the need to reveal since Masons can roleclaim and save themself from lynch. But this theory doesn’t dovetail with Drain Bead breadcrumbing the information. Actually, nothing really pops out to me as a reason to breadcrumb the info at all.
My theory is that Drain Bead was recruited on Night Two and has not yet been given the opportunity access the scum boards. I think Detectives retain their powers, which is problematic for my theory as that necessitates that Drain Bead investigated scum on Night Two and that’s why she’s information starved. Occam would not be proud, as this scenario is needlessly complex. It’s probably a bad theory, but one to consider none-the-less since Drain Bead’s willingness to confirm hotflungwok contrasts sharply with the information withholding for the Night Two investigation. Perhaps there is a reason, but if anyone ever wants to play the hold back information card, you need to be consistent. Why is she treating hotflungwok differently than the Night Two investigatee? Something needs resolving there.

Also, since **DB **is a sub for Idle, it would not surprise me at all that Idle was recruited early. He’s a one-man chaos machine!

[chrisk]

Hi, everybody!

I’m starting to think that I’m not really a mafia fan, but still, I didn’t want to get bumped out quite that early. Oh well!

From inside, I suspect that the town is SOL. But we’ll see.

[ShadowFacts]

@chrisk

Hi, everybody!

I’m starting to think that I’m not really a mafia fan, but still, I didn’t want to get bumped out quite that early. Oh well!

From inside, I suspect that the town is SOL. But we’ll see.

Yeah, I’m interested to see what Koldanar, who has claimed Vig (now a Priest due to his killing you) will say as to why he offed you.

I think it’s way too early to predict an outcome - too many variables.

[sachertorte]

chrisk was on my “If I were the Vig I’d kill you” list, mainly because I agree with HazelNutCoffee that you were too clean. I’m not sure if I would have picked you over Hawkeyeop, Darth Sensitive, or OneCentStamp, but I think the Vig picked from a decent pool.

This development bodes well for scum though. Lack of a Vig makes the Boss’s life expectancy significantly better.

But not recruiting on Night One seems like an awfully bad choice for scum.

[chrisk]

@sachertorte

chrisk was on my “If I were the Vig I’d kill you” list, mainly because I agree with HazelNutCoffee that you were too clean. I’m not sure if I would have picked you over Hawkeyeop, Darth Sensitive, or OneCentStamp, but I think the Vig picked from a decent pool.

This development bodes well for scum though. Lack of a Vig makes the Boss’s life expectancy significantly better.

But not recruiting on Night One seems like an awfully bad choice for scum.

Died because I was too clean, hehe.

I don’t seem to be able to avoid setting off scumdar, alas. This time I was definitely trying to fly under the radar, after making a very bold proposal last time and becoming a very controversial character who was always on the vote lists as I recall. (And being unable to convince people that no, I had NOT cop roleclaimed, darnit!)

It seems to me, though, that a lot of mafia games around here have so much Vizzini-ing… “Oh, but a very clever scum would KNOW that we’d expect townies to do such-and-such, and therefore doing that is a scum tell.” I don’t really have a lot of patience for those kinds of psychological frame jobs.

[ShadowFacts]

@sachertorte

But not recruiting on Night One seems like an awfully bad choice for scum.

No kidding. There are only two possible reasons I can think of:

1. Throw the town a curveball, since they would likely be expecting a recruit. (Sorta worked, but what did it gain?)
2. Newbie boss.

#2 only makes sense assuming the role assignments were random.

[fluiddruid]

Role assignments were randomly assigned.

[sachertorte]

@ShadowFacts

(Sorta worked, but what did it gain?)

Besides making Idle Thoughts smile, nothing.

Town gave scum a freebie in going no-lynch on Day One. Strategically, town probably should have lynched, but from a ‘either we lynch Town, or we restart the game anyway’ point of view I think Town did the right thing.

By not recruiting, scum gave back whatever it was Town gave up with the no-lynch.

What I really want to know is why the Boss chose OneAndOnlyWanderers. That seems like a peculiar choice to me. Is there anyone in the game who is particularly close to OneAndOnlyWanderers? Perhaps a friend?

OAOW hasn’t done much in mafia games lately to have caused the ire of anyone.
He killed Santo Rugger and Cookies in YST, but I don’t see Santo Rugger killing OAOW out of spite, and certainly not giving up the chance to recruit.

[sachertorte]

Oh yes! Hal Briston go!
lynch Darth Sensitive. That will be two on HazelNutCoffee’s Must Die list.

I like this very much.

And I agree that Darth Sensitive’s post could be construed as scum trying to act “Woe is Town”. That he posted the information before dotchan’s reveal is only more condemning.

I wish I noticed that post. I don’t generally pay attention to Night Posts. Maybe I should start.

I do question whether or not the wagon against Darth Sensitive will make it all the way to Tuesday. Sometimes I think that when something like what Hal Briston brings up should be kept under wraps for a few hours. Just so everyone’s thoughts can be brought up before the info gets out there. Hmmm.

[sachertorte]

What did everyone think about the “I think the Vig has outted himself and should claim” bit?
When it was happening I thought it was a awfully bad way to approach the problem. I think if such a discovery were to be made, the person thinking he found the Vig should actually state who they think is the Vig. Asking the whole group to have have the Vig step forward seems kind of bad. And of course would look really scummy.
By explicitly stating who one thinks is the Vig, the problem can be addessed directly with a “Yes, I am the vig” or “No, you are wrong. I am not the Vig.” Then the real vig could keep secret.

Moot now, but for future games, such a situation needs better resolution, I think.

[Eureka]

I hate vague claims like “I think the Vig has outed himself and should claim”–mostly because as an erratic spectator–with poor scumdar–I never have a clue who is suspected of being the Vig, and I like having reasons or post numbers so I can investigate past behavior. Or at least a name.

And now, at least two people have admitted that the person they thought had outted themselves as Vig was not the person who has claimed ex-vig. Of course, the whole ex-vig bit clouds the issue.

But given the potential for false positives and sneaky scum–and people just approaching roles differently from each other, I think vague statements like “I think the Vig outted himself and should claim” are more likely to cause reactions from people other than the suspected Vig than from the suspected Vig.

[Rysto]

In general, I’d be afraid of saying that “I think that so-and-so is X power role” because if so-and-so is scum, then they could easily lie. But in the case of the Vig, the real Vig would solve that problem quickly, so that’s not a consideration.

Here’s the question I have: if BlaM thought that hotflungwok is the Vig, why the hell did he vote for him yesterDay?

[sachertorte]

Because he’s scum!

[ShadowFacts]

@sachertorte

What did everyone think about the “I think the Vig has outted himself and should claim” bit?
When it was happening I thought it was a awfully bad way to approach the problem. I think if such a discovery were to be made, the person thinking he found the Vig should actually state who they think is the Vig. Asking the whole group to have have the Vig step forward seems kind of bad. And of course would look really scummy.
By explicitly stating who one thinks is the Vig, the problem can be addessed directly with a “Yes, I am the vig” or “No, you are wrong. I am not the Vig.” Then the real vig could keep secret.

Moot now, but for future games, such a situation needs better resolution, I think.

I think it’s a terrible idea in this game, since 1. the Vig is not recruitable and 2. if a recruit attempt is made on him/her, s/he gets the name of a scum. Claiming negates both of those powers, which are considerable, IMO. I’m frankly amazed that NAF suggested it, and even more amazed he wasn’t called on it more. NAF is pretty high on my scum list at this point.

It might be different with a different ruleset, but not in this one.

[ShadowFacts]

@Rysto

In general, I’d be afraid of saying that “I think that so-and-so is X power role” because if so-and-so is scum, then they could easily lie. But in the case of the Vig, the real Vig would solve that problem quickly, so that’s not a consideration.

Here’s the question I have: if BlaM thought that hotflungwok is the Vig, why the hell did he vote for him yesterDay?

Very good question, but possibly explainable.

[Rysto]

@ShadowFacts

Very good question, but possibly explainable.

Yeah, it is possible that BlaM originally missed the Vig tells. But if I were playing, I’d be asking BlaM exactly when he picked up on them.

[sachertorte]

I was expecting **HazelNutCoffee **to ride in and vote for Darth Sensitive. Boo!

HazelNutCoffee and I have diverged. She interprets Darth Sensitive’s Night post as evidence for removing him from her list of suspicion. I disagree. The list needs to be established early in the game and subsequent actions can’t alter the list. Eventually everyone will step in something. Otherwise the list is self-defeating. Simply being on the list will attract attention and votes (OneCentStamp). Besides, Darth Sensitive’s post isn’t controversial. On the surface, it is a statement of ‘obvious’ fact. If anything, it falls into the category of “too much knowledge,” which is substantially different from the ‘controversial’ stuff that constructed the original list. There is no way Darth Sensitive’s post is anything near what happened to Menocchio and his ‘bloodthirsy’ comment. Completely different things.
I still want Darth Sensitive, OneCentStamp, and Hawkeyeop dead.