Stop doubling down on the blind trust (in yourself). Your betters investigated (Hell, they COULD still be investigating, IF they wanted to, IF any evidence would be brought to light) and found NOTHING for you to base your belief of guilt on.
They aren’t.
They didn’t
They wouldn’t.
Admit that the Democrats used YOU and many others like you as a tool to bash a political opponent and then largely threw Blasey-Ford away like some offal.
If you cared more about her and less about Kavanaugh, you would realize this.
If I feel sorry for anyone in this sham of an investigation, as a political ploy. It’s BOTH Blasey-Ford AND Kavanaugh for being pawns in a fucking game.
“Obvious” liars get caught in lies.
That’s the thing with you, you HOPE for a different outcome and when it doesn’t materialize, you refuse to believe alternative facts in evidence. Don’t feel bad, lots of folks like you out there.
That’s because it’s not false. Keyser did not simply say that she did not recall that party - she said she did not know Kavanaugh, and had never been at a party with him. All the other witnesses that Ford claimed were at the party denied it.
This is a meaningless statement, since no amount of investigation (that didn’t stall until the mid-terms) would have satisfied the Democrats. That’s why Feinstein sat on the allegation for six weeks, not asking Kavanaugh about it during the confidential interviews and only leaking it after the hearings were over.
The Democrat calls for an investigation were a farce for Kavanaugh, and the Democrat calls for an investigation are a farce for Biden. Because no amount of investigation was enough for Kavanaugh, and no investigation is plenty for Biden.
Apologies – I thought you were just a regular human, with a different view, who recognized that sometimes people disagree based on different assumptions and understandings. I didn’t realize you were an omniscient judge of all things on this topic and any disagreement is due to dishonesty or stupidity.
This is false – the Shodan rule applies, though. I’ve demonstrated this before with cites, and your cites didn’t support your assertions – going through this yet again won’t help. She said she didn’t remember it. She never said anything nearly so definitive as that she had never been at a party with him.
Maybe you’re satisfied with an “investigation” that didn’t even interview the principles involved, much less delving into employment records and other data that could have supported or challenged Ford’s account. But not everyone will be – some of us really wanted a serious and thorough investigation that looked into all these things.
I disagree – hopefully this Biden thing will be thoroughly investigated. We’ll see.
I know you believe this. The trouble is, it isn’t true.
This might be much of the problem - for you, appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee doesn’t count as “thorough”.
Some of us, sure. Not the Democrats - they did not consider anything - the hearings, multiple background checks, FBI investigations, anything - to be thorough. Because their alleged concerns about the investigation were not serious - they were stalling, hoping to drag it out until after the mid-terms.
And since it won’t be, by anything like the investigations in the Kavanaugh hearings, if you were going to be consistent and assume that the accused is probably a sexual predator unless and until the accusations are disproved, then you would consider Biden to be a probable sexual predator and you wouldn’t vote for him.
“Keyser stated that she believed Ford’s allegation but could not recall the gathering from 36 years prior.”
Alone, obviously not. That’s just a small piece of what should have been a thorough investigation – the FBI should have questioned everyone, including the principles, and should have delved into employment records and other data that could have confirmed or denied Ford’s story. The Senate should have called all the possible witnesses, including Mark Judge. They didn’t do this because the GOP prevented them. These are facts.
I take your assertions about the mindset and motivations of Democrats in the Senate about as seriously as I’m sure you’d take any assertions I made about the mindset and motivation of Republican Senators.
Not sure who this describes, but it doesn’t apply to me. Based on the totality of evidence available, I have feelings about whether or not Ford or Kavanaugh are more credible. I think Ford was significantly more credible than Kavanaugh, who clearly and obviously lied. Apparently you feel differently.
If I come to believe that Biden’s accuser’s account is more credible than his own, I wouldn’t, possibly barring some weird (and terribly sad) situation in which a probable sexual assaulter were the only alternative running against an even more probable multiple-rapist. I’m not sure what I’d do in such a scenario – if it comes up, I’ll make that decision when I have to.
But I won’t have to make such a decision for several months, if ever.
I’ve made this point again and again, but you consistently ignore it – maybe you’re incapable of processing it: some of us really, really care about this stuff. It doesn’t have to be bullshit or subsumed by politics – some of us really want to do everything possible to oppose sexual assault and rape, and believe that moving our society and culture forward on this issue is even more important than any particular election (even 2020!). You don’t have to agree with me here, but it’s just crazy that you, and a few others, can’t even consider that some folks might honestly and legitimately feel this way.
Some people might, but, as I said, they would be consistent. Those who aren’t consistent, don’t need to be believed when they claim they care.
The Democrats in Congress pretty clearly pushed for investigations, simply and solely to delay. Not because they gave a tinker’s dam about anything except politics. Their actions clearly indicate this.
“Investigation never proved him innocent, therefore he doesn’t belong in public office.” That’s what Democrats did with Kavanaugh. Now it has come back to bite them in the ass. They don’t have to admit it for it to be obvious.
Your cites directly support my assertions, and do not support yours. She doesn’t recall the party, and doesn’t recall meeting Kavanaugh. That’s what she said. No one has ever produced a single quote from Keyser in which she says that she thinks Ford was lying or her story was not true. She’s said directly that she believed Ford’s story, and never came back with another quote saying that she no longer felt this way. Some journalistic sources (like the Washington Examiner, not surprisingly) hint and insinuate that now she doesn’t believe Ford, but no quote from Keyser has been put forward in support of this. Only quotes that she felt pressure and wasn’t sure.
So show that I’m not consistent, if that’s what you believe. Show a post in which I dismiss some allegation made against a politician or public figure I like (say, Al Franken, who was my very favorite Senator up until relatively recently, or Louis CK, who used to be one of my very favorite comedians), or insult/denigrate an accuser. Show a post in which I say that I’ll vote for someone despite a credible allegation made against them.
Out of curiosity, have you disavowed any Republicans due to sexual assault/rape? I’d love to see any such posts.
Says a guy who apparently is unable to consider the possibility that he might have bias against the Democrats. I don’t find your cite-free assertions about the Democrats’ motivations convincing.
Cite for this quote? Or is this some bullshit paraphrasing of something that never was said? I’m unaware of any Democrat ever pushing this narrative, on this board or from any public figure. I think Kavanaugh doesn’t belong in public office because of his dishonesty and childish demeanor during his hearings – YMMV for whether dishonesty and throwing toddler-tantrums is disqualifying.
This sounds like wishful thinking. You want the Democrats to have something bite them in the ass, so you’re hoping that this turns out to. And maybe it will. If the allegation turns out to be credible, and especially if additional credible accusers come forward, and the Democrats stonewall any attempt at investigating and continue to push Biden forward, then I will stop being a Democrat. I actually care about this stuff – certainly far more than I care about the Democratic party.
That certainly indicates confusion and uncertainty. It’s still a far cry from directly disputing the story, especially when she had earlier stated that she did believe Ford’s account.
Well, less charitable would be to interpret that as “I believe she believes it”. Takes some squinting to call that a “far cry” from not thinking the story is wrong.
You interview people and read documents from the time. Have you heard of those Catholic Church abuse scandals? Lots of cases that old were investigated.
They had a week to interview whoever they wanted (contrary to your assertion). If anything short of a full investigation based on uncorroborated allegations are a sham then you are basically saying that the Democrats only need to gin up one accusation to hold up a nomination for years.
I’m trusting the FBI.
You were certainly wrong about what that cite was talking about. It in no way indicates an investigation into Fords allegations.
Woke has been around for a while. What would you call overly offended white people who were never really oppressed but like to express outrage on behalf of other people that they think are oppressed?
A week is a joke. They failed to interview many relevant individuals, and failed to dig into employment and other records. This was a total sham. McConnell wanted a sham and he got a sham.
It’s not credible that anyone thought a week was enough to find out the facts of this case. That it happened to coincide with one party’s political goals (delaying the nomination) is irrelevant – it was still a credible allegation that needed to be seriously and thoroughly investigated, and it wasn’t, not even close. McConnell got what he wanted, and he got away with it, but that doesn’t make it right.
The FBI didn’t have enough time. They had a week. They could have spent that time any way they wanted chasing a 30 year old uncorroborated allegation of attempted rape with no physical evidence.
The only reason the GOP allowed that week was because they couldn’t get the votes without it. Confirming a nominee is an entirely political action. If you are in the minority, your opinion is meaningless, all you can do is throw a tantrum. That’s why it’s important to win election and not chase away moderates in the name of ideological purity.
I think it was pretty clear to most people that this was really about pushing things until the midtrems. And the Republicans put a 1 week deadline on the investigation so that they would have time to run another nominee through the process if the investigation turned up anything damning. It didn’t and they went ahead with the confirmation and as far as anyone with any sense of justice is concerned, Kavanaugh is an innocent man until proven guilty.
Why can’t anyone corroborate anything that Ford said about the events she described?
Why is it that the only corroborating testimony supports Kavanaugh?
Yes, if there is any actual evidence, I think you’re right. We should replace Biden with someone else quickly. But you almost seem to require the accused to prove themselves innocent rather than require the prosecutor to prove the accused guilty.
In the case of Kavanaugh, all the evidence points to the Democratic party harnessing your woke outrage to try and delay the confirmation and then dropping the issue when their attempt failed. I don’t blame them. A lot was on the line. But they dropped it and so should you.
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After the Merrick Garland bullshit, Democrats could set the fucking podium on fire and it would be fair game.
How did it come to bite us in the ass? Biden?
I would argue that their failure has actually helped. Republicans are no longer in a position to try and go after someone based on uncorroborated allegations. Even the conservative sites don’t seem to be making much hay out of this other than to point out “Democratic hypocrisy” for not going apeshit on Biden.
